Ah right. No idea. Not by much though. I think the drag is on the missile and not the pylons though, so there will be an increase in drag, but not much
CL-13 Mk.5 did not dominate for 5 years.
Also the margin that the Mk.5 was better than the other Sabres is a lot smaller than the margins of the Rafale vs any other fighter.
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I’ll have to defer to you on those two points. The overall main point in my post however is that meta OP vehicles do not lead the community to “hate” on a tech tree but rather instead to actively grind and participate in that tech tree.
Players will grinding to vehicles they perceive as OP does not really have any bearing on whether or not anyone dislikes a tree / nation.
Most people that don’t like France / French-tree players are due to interactions that seek to justify a certain vehicle being over-powered for an entire year and doing nothing except advocating that it become even more over-powered in the future.
Imagine for a second if when the MiG-29 was introduced that it had it’s good flight model, the R-27ER, and that the F-16A was never introduced at all. Now imagine if the MiG-29 players insisted that the plane needed to receive the dev server version of the R-73 because technically the F-14 had a BVR advantage and a sustained turn rate advantage.
That is basically what has happened with the Rafale over the past year.
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the rafale can carry the 6 mica’s on anti air hardpoints, and 2 more on the universal hardpoints since 2009
http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/image_8_280_1998.html
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Dassault_Rafale_at_Paris_Air_Show_2009
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1000 in that order or 1000 ever made
DGA is french agency for Weaponnary, so it’s about 1000 for that country (made by several orders).
370 MICA-EM
730 MICA-IR
Some MICA-EM/IR NG are currently in testing
some of the previous missiles are also going under MLU
Meanwhile, there is already a lot more MICA made, as:
Taiwan use 1200 MICA-EM (for Mirage 2000-5EI)
Egypt use 150 MICA-EM/IR (for Rafale F.3R)
Croatia use MICA-EM/IR (for Rafale F.3R) (number unknown: Turkey problem?)
India use 850 MICA-EM/IR for Mirage 2000-5; Rafale EH/DH F.3R and Su-30MKI)
Marrocco use 150 MICA-EM/IR for Mirage F.1 MF2000 (or “ASTRAC”)
Qatar use 250 MICA-EM/IR for Mirage 2000-5 and Rafale F.3R/F.4
Greece use MICA-EM/IR:
200 use for Mirage 2000-5EGM/BGM
more of them are used on “second-life” Rafale F.3R (number unknown: Turkey problem?)
UAE :
use 500 MICA-EM/IR for Mirage 2000-9
bought 600 MICA-EM/IR NG for future Rafale F.4
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Of course not by much because it’s a sidewinder, but a double rack realistically would increase the drag more than what we have in the game. Like, the Hornet Double AMRAAM Rack would gurantee Hornet to be flying under Mach 1 even in full afterburner (iirc), but obviously we don’t have that in our game due to simplified drag model.
Well jokes on you, the introducing of Rafale is alongside with EFT, which was also had pretty cracked FM during the time, and Rafale actual edge over EFT was just the MICA and 360 fully spherical RWR/MAW Coverage. Rafale starts becoming stupidly overpowered thanks to simplified drag model during Hornet Sting update, and the lack of equality towards EFT Supercruise report, which IMHO eihter should have its Supercruise speed correct, or both shouldn’t have it, but here we are.
The problem is also with how Gaijin’s treatment of other vehicle to bring balance to all top tier aircraft, like maybe keeping the unique AIM-120C-5 seeker so it makes the existence of the missile unique, not just stupid sidegride that are somehow also worser at several scenario.
All of Bug Reports are pretty much just fingers on crossing, since all decision comes back to Gaijin, it is Gaijin that are making the game become powercrept by Rafale.
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The constant pumping of “Bug Reports” and suspiciously high acceptance rate of set reports also helped…
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Tbf, the acceptance doesn’t necessarily will be implemented tbh, like there are a lot of Rafale that are accepted but does not immidiately gets implemented, and there is also a counter report for Rafale that are quickly getting accepted by the devs. It’s just the report were very well documented and mostly done by @DirectSupport , this would:
- Gives Gaijin all the card the Bug Reporter had, so each update Gaijin could freely choose what card (fixes) that are they going to implement to Rafale again, others would say this would be ironic gaslighting. But I don’t think so, since EFT are also like this, there are so much EFT Report already being made, but the problem is some reports are getting flagged as “not a bug” due to infamous meme “Marketing Lie”.
- IMHO again, if a Bug Report was done by the same guy over and over again (doesn’t necessarily imply other people couldn’t/shouldn’t do it other than DS), with a good precedent of his report are well documented and pretty clear stating the problem, the argumentation, and the conclusion for how it will be implemented, it would increase the chance of Bug Reporting Manager accepting the report, since not all Bug Reporter Manager would be the same everytime seeing a Rafale Bug Report. DS has done a good job fixing Mirage 2000 FM and also Magic 2 Missiles, it’s just so happened again that Rafale C F3-R isn’t ready for War Thunder because all the powercrept Rafale brings to this game, but again that’s Gaijin problem and not the Bug Reporter.
You mean the same community that routinely spouts racist talking points against chinese players painting them all as cheaters and has had a deep rooted russophobia for how many years now?
That community?
yeah right.
Nah the French tree overall is not good enough to draw straight up french hate. Its literally just one plane.
Acting like thats
- Only the War thunder community
- The communities fault
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Mirage 2k was the second or third best plane on release, with 530d being third best radar missile. Other than that… mirage 3c was pretty good. And then it kinda falls off
The joke isn’t really on me. I’ve had the Rafale since it came out.
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The plane was initially introduced with only 6 MICA. It was almost immediately upgraded to 8 MICA.
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It’s turn rate was buffed based on HUD footage and erroneous assumption that the HUD footage was at 50 percent fuel. Bug reporter didn’t notice or didn’t care that HUD footage indicated what the fuel load was.
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Eurofighter and Rafale players both reported super-cruise claims. Eurofighter claims were treated differently and it is probably due to forcing it to meet those claims results in skewing other data points from ESR-D. Rafale has its FM more closely adjusted to match supercruise claim and ignore multiple sources on SEP.
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The Eurofighter maximum load factor is adjusted from 15+G down to something a little more reasonable. Rafale is never adjusted.
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Turn rate gets nerfed back to basically what it was on dev server after I pointed out in video the bingo fuel warning and the fact it’s adjusted in the HUD footage. I had already pointed out the warning and the change to French community bug reporter explicitly. His reaction to it was to try to say it wasn’t real because carrier landing footage showed bingo fuel warning. Nevermind the fact that the airshow HUD footage explicitly showed adjusting from 800kg down to 550kg and it clears the warning. He apparently did not know that bingo fuel warning is adjustable…even though the adjustment was explicitly pointed out to him.
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There was also ESA radar bug that caused radar to automatically populate targets outside of the search zone. The same bug reporter had not noticed this until it was explicitly pointed out to him and then attempted to explain it away as an intentional change / historically accurate change that wasn’t worth reporting. Technically speaking this would have made the Rafale radar 5 times faster at searching and populating targets than the F-35 radar simulation that Lockheed Martin released.
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Eurofighter radar and other mechanically scanned radars are extremely lacking in comparison to current ESA radar implementation. Their performance over the last year has been mostly spotty by most players accounts.
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Current implementation of Rafale flight model causes it to outperform Eurofighter in aspects that it should not; I.e energy retention and specific excess power at supersonic speeds.
For the game mode that I play, Air SB, it has been amongst one of the leading reasons that I have become much less interested in top tier. There are multiple experienced sim players that will also echo my sentiment. Most of us have had the plane for months at this point and having effectively one meta defining plane, something that kind of sort of competes but only if you can force a guns based dogfight, and then everything else is not exactly the most thrilling experience.
In fact this also affects the general player in sim as well. There was a Saturday a few months ago where myself and 5 other people deliberately played Rafale and made sure to spread out to every available top tier lobby during peak gameplay hours. After about 4 hours, the number of lobbies available at top tier had shrunken to just one and it was a fully mixed Denmark game iirc.
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This also isn’t really the case either.
The most substantive change to the Mirage 2000 flight performance came from a bug report that Piiot made in regards to it’s sustained turn rate.
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I dont think who submitted the report or the quality of the report has any barring on what is being updated. A large chunk of the Typhoons reports are internally submitted by Gunjob. A tech mod. You dont get better than that. And yet many havent been implemented
I just think the devs hate the Typhoon
*Senior
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Minor nation favoritism or pro french staff involved in major decision making. Similar reason swedish Leopards from almost 30 years ago have more effective armor arrays, at less weight and more top speed, than up to date Leopard tanks.
Nothing of this makes sense, the only explanation is some kind of bias or hate, indeed. Otherwise its impossible to explain why Rafale was buffed in every aspect, while other jet’s reports are ignored.