on what terms? speed? avionics? weaponnary? AoA? Acceleration rates/times? Turn rates (sustained or instantaneous)?
i guess there is more to it, but in every mean, the Kfir C10 is a 3rd gen, while others are 4th gen.
by that simple fact, they’re not responding to the same criterias.
historical match up doesn’t exist in WT (or we would have early F-15’s fighting MiG-23 at same BR, as an exemple)
performance match up is what believed to be the introduction BR, then it’s Player Results and Player Results alone that counts (sometime bending some shits or adding some stuff, to keep it at one BR, making unplayed aircraft to be ignored entirely - F-4EJ Kai sitting at F-18A’s and F-16 blk10 BR for exemple, despite not having “Agile Eagle” modification - F-4EJ Kai that would be Historically placed at a BR of 13.7/14.0)
MICA itself is a missile with fine performance, and at the same time, Rafale’s bizarrely high speed creates a really crazy synergy.
As expected the reason for the high K/D ratio seems to be due to the high performance of Rafale. I think after riding it myself.
Well, this isn’t the topic of this thread, but you’re a bit confused and lacking in research on the Kfir C.10.
Terms that might make sense of my BR 13.7/14 assumption:
5th generation Python 5 (IR) missiles
I-Derby-ER long-range missiles (+100km)
AESA radar
ECM and EW capabilities
Advanced HMD and Datalink capabilities, and others.
The Kfir C.10 Blk was historically inaccurate in the game (very incomplete). It is 3rd generation It does have a 3rd generation root (there’s not much to complain about regarding its flight performance and such), but its technology is similar to that of 4+ gen aircraft.
I kindly invite you to the thread about this interesting vehicle, bro.
by comparison to Python 5: 20km range Mach4 HOBS LOAL ability
Long-range cruise missile/standoff weapons that are missing: Apache / SCALP-EG / Storm Shadow/Taurus (Kfir C10 Blk60 have none), not to forget short range AGM (AASM/Brimstones) that Kfir C10 Blk60 have none of it
or Anti-Ship missiles : AM.39 B2 Bblk2 for Rafale / Marte ER (Kfir C10 Blk60 have none)
or Anti-radiation ones: AGM-88 HARM for EF2000
Maneuvrability are both in Eurocanards(EF/Rafale) hands.
Acceleration → eurocanards
everyone have HMS/HMD and Datalinks, which are currently developped to integrate far greater data environnement (2026 is given for Rafale)
All EF-2000 are switching from Captor M to Captor E,
All Rafale are already AESA, with new radar incoming for 2026
Rafale have SPECTRA suite
EF-2000 have similar thing called
Max Speed → EF-2000 (Mach 2.35) > Kfir C.10 (Mach 2.3) > Rafale (Mach 1.8)
and even considering max speed,… you don’t dogfight/turnfight at “Mach Jesus”
so no,… there is currently no point in which Kfir C.10 currently overpower the Eurocanards
Wow bro, excellent summary, but you strayed from the topic again, my point was not to put the Kfir C.10 Blk 60 above the almighty Rafale and Eurofighter and the other top, you questioned my assumption of the BR 13.7 / 14 which should be the Kfir C.10 due to its powerful update (that’s why I mean being “comparable” with the current top aircraft, not superior), I responded about how incomplete was added, but it is evident that the interesting thing about this vehicle are its pros and cons, since the debate I opened in the thread was about historical inaccuracy, in fact I support completing all reports for all vehicles so that the game stabilizes historical veracity and playability. I hope to find support in you and this nice community also on my favorite vehicle. Now no more off-topic because the topic is: Does Rafale reign at the top tier? I think so, but it is because the Kfir C.10 Blk 60 is incomplete :v
Based on what I found, the 8 X MICA and HMD were not adopted before the F4 version.
However, they were “tested” within France and were also offered as options for export variants.
Additionally, in the case of the F4 version, the Scorpion HMD has been officially integrated.
It seems like six might be the maximum, but it appears to have been received under the guise of “technical compatibility” of the export version. this is likely to be a subject of controversy.
Yep… But given everyone has loadouts based upon balance… And not actual capability or even technical compatibility. Remove 2x AAMs would be a way to balance the F3 and then when they add the F4 its an upgrade to make it feel more like a progression
Well Mirage 2000-5 (only Taiwanese M2K ironically that are correct) also had that problem
Thailand F-16A OCU, Italian and German Typhoon can carry Brimstones, and so on so on.
Objectively, the problem of Rafale being overpowered is simply because of its disparity regarding whether it is passed to developer or not. MICA-EM being the only Fox 3 that have unique seeker. Rafale enjoy what War Thunder has flawed for several years, like simplified drag (which everyone benefitted too, otherwise you can’t go that much in EFT carrying double Sidewinder) and also some “Arbitrary” consideration, of course back to the 8 MICA and HMD in question.
And one more, the biggest game changer for Rafale is the drag report for sake of supercruise speed, that really makes Rafale raw power go up exponentially compared to others.
I mean the main problem is that the devs simply don’t seem to care about the Rafale being overpowered.
“Buff other planes? Fix other missiles? Add more appropriate counterparts to the Rafale? Decompress top tier to save more planes from the Rafale hellscape? Nah bro we don’t do that here, here have another Rafale buff.”
CL-13 Mk5 was dominating for 5 years, didn’t really lead to anti-german sentiments like some would think would happen for the Rafale in producing anti-french sentiments. It just led to more people grinding the German tech tree, and the german tech tree having its position solidified as part of the big 3.
