It has a higher TWR than the Typhoon in game, even though every single source ive ever seen says the Typhoon should be higher
2 options there
or
Either way. The aircraft with the higher TWR should be the Typhoon, not the Rafale
Energy retention at high speeds.
The report ended up being shut down by developers although there was merit to it.
The Typhoon should have higher TWR than Rafale
= \ = Rafale’s TWR is too high.
Yeah. The devs require us to submit 15 primary sources for any change and consider the manufactorer as an unreiliable source and so cant be used for bug reporting.
can definetly tell their bias againt the Typhoon. They jsut love artificially nerfing us. Not even the German one has the correct name
Well, you guys aren’t the only ones that take Ls when it comes to bug-reports, its still miffing some of us that the Rafale’s IRST has incorrect gimbal limits and the report for it was shot down despite a primary source showing a diagram of the IRST limits, even though developers have taken diagrams for other reports before and still continue to do so. For every 2 wins we have publicly, there’s probably 1 or 2 we got shot down with or we had to put the report on the back burner knowing Gaijoobles will shoot it down if submitted.
Thats nothing. They dont think the FLIR should have the same FoV as the IRST. Despite being the same sensor
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/HvtuHIvBqkK1
They have 0 common sense
It’s asking for same angular limits, not fov but yeah that was a dumb decision to shut down the report, seems like something that should be a no-brainer.
Captor-E - yes, but will depends on publicly available information.
AGM/Bombs - yes, i agree that they’re missing.
MAWS problem goes for everyone,… it sucks up the CM’s of anybody right now,…
AA Missiles : same wise for Rafale’s MICA-IR and METEOR
FlightModels ones :
Weight reduction
last time i checked, the EF-2000 should be 11tons empty, 11220kg is what WRTI gives for every EF-2000, which is the base mass (empty+oil+crew)
A pilot weight 80kg with gear.
So, with oil/hydraulics 120kg, it’s “ok” while comparing to Rafale is having today.
The only EF-2000 that could ask that is German one, due to not having PIRATE.
There is a recent bug report for it though (but i guess it won’t change much)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/gccxynnPunDu
but let’s say oil and hydraulics weight less, that 10995kg(Empty mass) +80kg(pilot) + 30kg(oil) is given
That’s 11115kg instead of 11220kg for UK/ITA One
German one - 11045kg without Pirate (PIRATE public weight of 60kg)
if it was based on Weight reduction, it won’t give you much to loose 105kg (165kg for German one).
the engine are giving a 8670kgf (wiki.warthunder, might be wrong as they are for EF-2000 Base Weight)
IRL values are officially given at 90kN (so 9177,45kgf) but for UNINSTALLED engine.
in game duct losses are given for approx. 5%: 9177.45*0.95=8718.6kgf
at best you would get mass decrease of 105kg + Thrust increased to 100kgf (50kgf times 2) more → not gonna help out TWR that much.
based on? (i don’t deny those, just asking to inform myself there)
I think it’s slightly underperforming and over performing at different speeds and altitudes, it’s not just under performing or over performing
Here is bug report for it
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/UzEsXa0vX05A
you might want to cancel that picture ^^"
there is nothing saying it’s declassified on it
I recommend reading squishfaces comment on the bug report
It is the source used in the bug report, it’s declassified. I got the cover for it
ok then
what’s the link of bug report? Edit → i’m stupid,…
I edited the post, should be there now
I’d rather hope for some serious fixes to the C5 seeker, to at least make that missile an actual threat in BVR.
The HOBS missiles you mentioned are needed yeah, but 1 type of Mica is already annoying enough to face, an IR version of it doesn’t sound good for an already messed up furball meta.
nah radar slaving has no effect on seeker range, makes it easier to find a target at long range yeah but it has no range benefits
STR linked below
ITR bug report was submitted back in dec dev server. CBA to go find it. easy to find
Supercruise. Most sources state Mach 1.5 including the manufactorer. In game it tops out at 1.3
needs to be checked to see if its still a problem, but use to be an issue where it took a minute+ for thrust to return after a turn (all other aircraft its like a few seconds at most)
Other side of the coin though. MICA is annoying because its the only Gen 5 level missile in game at the moment. If the Rafale has to worry about an ASRAAM or IRIS-T coming at them, they cant be as ballsy as they can be currently knowing no one can match them in a WVR fight. Battles would start being far more BVR orientated again where the Rafale should be much weaker
Though yes, The fact C5 is one of the weakest ARH missiles at the momnet, is just BS
Fair point.
The problem with the gaps that exist on the characteristics of a vehicle (usually an airplane) is obviously because this military data is classified, but what I do not understand is why there is no common sense for the development of vehicles for a game, I am understanding that vehicles like the Rafale (especially), the Typhoon, etc. still need characteristics that are even obvious, right? (it is enough to investigate a little to know it) but it must wait a long time for them to at least be accepted, for example I wanted to show everyone that the Kfir C.10 is very historically incorrect, it is not an aircraft that should surpass the Rafale or the Typhoon, an other really tops, but it is not a C7 with radar and Derbys either, I believe that the historically correct Kfir C10 would be in BR 13.7 / 14, but it is very difficult to prove it to Gaijin that just added easy.
