Also note how the planes popularity has cratered when compared to last year.
260k vs 133k is a large difference. It’s practically double.
If you add the other Rafale then it’s a combined 382k games vs 133k games for the British Eurofighter. So nearly triple.
It’s the 3rd most played top tier plane behind Su-30 SM2 and German Eurofighter. France for all intents and purposes should be compared to a major nation at top tier.
Yes it does. You said the narrative is that the Rafale is carrying the british EFT and thats, according to you wrong, because the UK EFT performs better than the Rafale.
However it can still be true that playing together with the Rafale is the main reason for the UK EFTs performance edge over the others since less games against one of if not the best plane in the game is a massive advantage.
Its less about the Rafale carrying and more about the Rafale putting italian and german EFTs more in the dust than british ones.
No one disagrees that not facing the Rafale does help the British Eurofighter over the Italian/German one, but there is disagreement whether it is the sole factor of its performance over the Italian/German Eurofighter. The higher stats of the British Eurofighter over the Rafale defeats the narrative that being on the Rafale’s team is the only sole factor for its dominating performance.
…has half the games than Rafale.
Why exactly? There is no reason why the Rafale would need to perform better than the UK EFT for the theory to be true.
I think you meant to say, “has half the games of the Rafale”, but refer back to this post.
It’s actually not a big difference as some might want to make it out to be. Compare the Rafale M’s stats when it had 200k games last month to now when it has 120k games this month. The difference in statistics for KPS and K/D is negligible. You could compare the difference for other aircraft as well that have differences in overall games for the low hundred thousands. 100k vs 200k has little to no KPS or K/D differences versus say 200k versus 700k.
Indeed, corrected.
So, the UK EF has half the games, 20% better kill ratio and still practically the same (0.1% better) Win rate.
I mean, the writing is on the wall. Rafale is still way overperforming, both in game and in performance.
Yes it does. If the argument is that:
Then you would see its winrate being higher than the Italian/German one while its K/D and KPS being slightly higher than the Italian/German one but still being lower than the Rafale that is putting everyone else in the dirt. But it is moreso the case here that when the Rafales and British EFT are on the same team, the British EFTs are the ones mopping up games. What makes more sense and explains the statistics better is that the British players know how to use their EFT and provides cover to the Rafale in terms of long-range/BVR performance allowing the Rafale to fulfill its close range role. But it still means that the British EFT performs better.
Nice conclusion there, the British Eurofighter has 20% better kill ratio than the Rafale and outstrips everyone else, so that must must mean the Rafale is overperforming.
Except there is a greater difference between Italian Eurofighter and British Eurofighter in terms of match performance.
Indeed. Rafale needs to kill less for equal WR, meaning it’s overperforming (in one aspect, or another).
If EF eg. (or any other plane) and Rafale were ideally balanced, they’d both have the same kill ratio and WR, for the same number of games.
I think its not that bad anymore. If you take the weighted avverage of the EFTs you get 1.022 KpS and 1.354 KD. Thats not too far from the Rafales performance and way better than it was before.
No? At least not automatically. Its absolutely possible that not facing Rafales is enough for the UK EFT to shine more than the other EFTs especially considering the smaller playerbase but it doesnt automatically mean that the UK EFT is a better plane.
Or the UK EFTs just have way more freedom and survivability compared to Italian and German ones, because they dont have to worry about MICAs coming their way, like i said its less about the Rafales pulling the EFTs up and more about UK EFTs being threatened less.
It undoubtedly does but considering the Italian and German ones that doesnt mean that the EFT is a better plane than the Rafale. It could of course mean that the EFT is a better plane than the Rafale if played with the Rafale but thats kinda iffy in a PVP game.
Mind you, just because the Eurofighter is proliferated in more trees than the Rafale doesn’t mean that the platform is overall worse than the Rafale. The Rafale could be placed in more trees such as Israel and Japan, and that could lead to the French Rafale’s statistics plummeting significantly, which hilariously would defeat the argument of the Rafale’s platform being the best in the game just because of its statistics.
The Su-30SM2 can see itself, the Eurofighter can see itself, but the Rafale can’t see itself which can absolutely explain the better statistics.
No but it means that we can analyse the EFTs performance from more angles. There are only 3 possible variables impacting the performance differences between the 3
With the current playrates id guess that mirror matchups only play a role for the SU30SM2 at least the UK and Italian Typhoon are probably played way too little for that.
Maybe none of them both is actually a better platform than the other and instead its a rock paper scissors situation where the Rafale is very good against the Typhoon and the Typhoon is very good against the rest
Now what does it mean for everyone else that have been making definitive conclusions from one single angle for the Rafale this whole time while ignoring that it cannot see itself? If the Italian and German EFT did not exist, and there was only a single Rafale and single (British) EFT, no one would have made the conclusion that the Rafale was somehow still better statistically or that the EFT was doing better than the Rafale only because it could not see the Rafale.
The Italian and British Typhoons can also not see themselves (and i think Germany is also not mirrored atm?). They can see a version of their plane in another tech tree but like i said the variables are not the same.
Sure but we do have 2 other Typhoons and there must be an explanation for a 0.5 higher KD and 0.3 higher KpS and looking at the 3 variables above it can pretty much only be one of them.
But it is still more datapoints. Comparing Italian, British, and German Typhoons with only one Rafale is very counter-intuitive. The Rafale platforms may be in a similar boat with the Typhoons if it was also in the Japanese and Israeli tree.
Again, you’re comparing 3 Typhoons (in different trees) with only 1 Rafale rather than 3 Typhoons versus 3 Rafales or 1 Typhoon with 1 Rafale.
If there was only the British Typhoon, and no Italian/German Typhoon, the data would show the British AESA Typhoon as being the best plane in the game in every aspect (winrate, K/D, KPS).
And there may be a strong possibility that the British Typhoon would still be the strongest plane in the game statistically if the Rafales were proliferated to other trees since the French Rafale would have to see its own plane in other trees.
Im not, im comparing the 3 Typhoons with each other to then maybe compare the Typhoon to the Rafale.
Sure and if my grandma had 2 wings and an engine shed be a fighter jet.
Thats the entire point of the argument, why is the UK Typhoon performing so much better than the other 2, not is the UK typhoon performing better than the Rafale because obviously it is.
