returning to base while the missile was still tracking me xd
J-10C has a good balance between R-77 maneuverability and AIM-120 range. J-15T has a lot more missiles, it’s only downside are countermesures. F-16… well it’s obvious it sucks for anything that isn’t dogfighting. btw it’s 14.3, not 14.7.
if u mean old Typhoons without the AESA then obviously they’re worse, that’s why they’re in a lower BR, i’m talking about its “current competitors”, i mean the ones it faces all the time at it’s own BR (14.7). Su-30SM/MKM still better due to missile amount, good missiles and TVC, but they’re 14.3 so they aren’t a real argument. F/A-18E… well everybody knows it sucks cuz it’s slow asf, nothing else to say for this smol and squishable bug.
F-15C GE is better due to the amount of missiles, countermesures and radar, but as always, AMRAAMs are somehow “bad”.
The J-10C has worse flight performance, less countermeasures and worse defensive sensors. It’s considerably worse to play than the Rafale.
J-15T also has worse flight performance, even less flares and worse defensive sensors.
It’s only somewhat saving grace is the missile count and that is barely enough.
Unlike you I have played the J-10C, J-15T and Rafale. So unlike you I’m not just making conclusions from a “the grass is always greener on the other side” mindset.
There are minimal impactful differences between the F-15C GE and Rafale radars. This is pretty obvious to anyone who has actually played the thing.
worse missiles outside of niche where they can still be defeated if shot from far away
fair enough
if not for terrible manueverability compared to other missiles at the BR and insanely easy to notch seeker when IRL it has some of the best ECCM, it would be a great missile
thx for specifying “like u”, i’m too stupid to understand if people are talking about me.
talking with people “like u” is annoying cuz their own parents were too kind with them, not teaching them manners about how to talk with strangers like they’re all stupid and the only one right is u.
i wasn’t making conclusions, bro, just saying the good things other jets have that make them better than Rafale in a certain way.
u treated them like they’re all trash, so i said all the good things each one has, something that looks it’s too hard to understand for u.
My guy, you treat the Rafale the exact same way. It’s not the absolute best anymore so now you say it’s trash.
And then you cope how the J-15T/J-10C/15C GE are equal to or better than the Rafale by either lying or by listing the only 1 or 2 good things they have, ignoring the often multiple downsides they have compared to the Rafale.
Like I said, play the J-15T and J-10C and you will quickly wish you were in a Rafale again.
Ironic coming from you, lets not pretend I haven’t seen you drop “skill issue” numerous times over different threads.
It’s easier to just be direct to people who talk about things, in this case aircraft (J-15T and J-10C), that they have no clue about. If someone who has actually played these two aircraft, and played them well, came here and gave a good argument about how they are somehow better than the Rafale I would at least take them seriously.
However that hasn’t happened, likely because the Rafale is just straight up better in almost every meaningful way compared to these aircraft.
says the one mocking me for being bad in something i admitted i was, bullies can stay in school, if u want u can go there.
the times i say it it’s mostly true, and u can’t say it isn’t.
questionable
or just tell them they’re wrong and why, instead of being “like u”.
Oh no, one of the few downsides the Rafale has. However even with that low wing rip speed the Rafale absolutely smashes the J-10C and J-15T in flight perfomance.
They also have a similar radar with worse ARH missiles, considerably worse defensive suit and considersbly less CMs.
So yeah the Rafale is just better overall. Only downsides are wingrip speeds and a bit worse at range (not that PL12s are reliable beyond 25-30km at high alt anyway at 14.3-14.7).
I have tried, but it’s hard to counter fantasy points. I have already listed why the Rafale is better than the J-10C and J-15T in this reply, but there is a good chance that you will just deny it because it doesn’t fit the image you have of these jets.
and the biggest one at the same time.
good luck doing BVR while u have R-77-1 flying around and good luck managing ur own speed, multipathing and launching missiles all at the same time if u decide to go low.
i would prefer them over MICA-EM, as i said: R-77 + AIM-120 all in the same bucket.
when and where, u’re as toxic as all the others when i’m wrong, and somehow yall get an instant neuron activation when i say something that isn’t true (FOR YOU) just to explain me in the most dirty and disrespectful way how wrong i am.
when i didn’t have Rafale, i thought it was the best jet ingame.
now i have Rafale, and it isn’t the best jet ingame.
if i’m not talking about the PoV of somebody who doesn’t own it anymore, then why would i be wrong? each person has it’s own reasons for each thing.
u say Su-30SM2 is inferior to Rafale, i vastly say it’s exageratly better than Rafale.
Most of these points are also easily verifiable using statshark.
Except I never said that. I have been saying that the Rafale is still easily a top 3 vehicle (if we count all AESA EFT as 1 vehicle).
I’m specifically countering your point that the J-15T and J-10C are somehow better than the Rafale, because it’s not true and most of your reasoning is cope or borderline fantasy.
I still don’t believe u saying PL-12 is worse than MICA-EM.
I have already used MICA-EMs, hardly get a single kill with them, PL-12s can’t be worse than that.
And J-10C still looks like a very decent aircraft i would be very excited to try out.
It feels like it should go to 14.3 again, at least that way the 13.3 wallet warriors can get their daily punishment after annihilating an entire team full of fox-1 carriers.
Out of curiosity, at what speed and altitudes do you usually launch your MICAs?
Because PL12s are pretty similar to MICAs in terms of range. At alt max 20-25km works best for PL12, 30km works sometimes but requires the target to either be AFK or make a mistake.
Not to mention that due to it’s low amount of internal fuel, you often have to choose between 8 missiles but less afterburner usage (so less missile range) or sacrifice 2 missiles for an external fuel tank. This is less of an issue with the J-15T though.
This makes the J-10C so annoying to play imo. You have to get within Rafale range, while the Rafale is a far superior platform with far superuor close range missiles.
When going low, as low and fast as the plane can go without becoming a F-104.
When going high, 10000/11000m and at Mach 1.34/1.50, and if u want range, between 10km and 25km.
One more question : how many missiles do you throw on the first engagement ?
I would personnally fly high, although a bit less than you (9000m max, just under the cons) and get a bit more speed, then point the nose up slighlty to loft it).
Fire 2 or 3 missiles max on the first engagement, on high targets if possible (thiner air means they will struggle more to hit the notch in time)
Then keep the remaining 5/6 MICAs for middle and match ending where the MICA shines. If you find yourself in a late 1v1, just let the enemy get greedy and close, and you can still throw a missile out to give them something to think about
Rafale isn’t a flanker, you got to be conservative with how many you spend on each target, so getting a high PK when shooting is important. That means getting close and survive while you get there. Thankfully Rafale is one of these planes where notching while staying high isn’t that hard, so i would advise against hitting the deck, even while defending.
1/2, that’s all i have know xd
I won’t spend all my only MICAs in a target i know i won’t kill. One time i tried to kill a F-15E at 10km side shot and it achieved to fool both 2 MICAs and run away of them.
MICA has a 0.25 second longer first stage booster while the PL12 has a 1 second longer second stage booster, so yes you are technically correct on this.
Can’t talk too much about the drag part though since that is beyond my understanding.
R-77-1 is easier to notch and pulls worse…
The MICA being harder to notch isn’t some bs statement pulled out of my ass btw, it’s visible in the files too.
