Whats everyones thoughts on this thing being 9.3AB/9.7RB with dm33? Seems worse than Class3p (dm33 with more mobility, traction and much better turret) and kinda sidegrade over TAM (dm23 but more mobile)
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Its fine, it is on par with the Centauro 105R, Rooikat 105 and Type 16 at the same br. A bit slower than most of them but as a trade off u get better thermal. Could they have removed the dm33 and move it down to 9.0? Sure, but it is fine at 9.7 and can be put along side the bagelpanzer and ocelot/gepard 1a2.
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As soon as I saw it had an 8x gunner sight magnification I instantly lost my interest in getting it, even though I do not owned the Class 3 I totally see it is a much better vehicle than this walmart version of Radpanzer, even the Class 3 has 15.9x gunner sight.
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compared to the rooikat it has:
+good thermals
-worse hpt
-less gun depression
-worse traverse
-worse reverse
-worse armor
but the worst one is THE GODDAMN LIQUID DOGSHIT FIXED ZOOM
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eh, im getting it. DM33 + thermals at 9.7 is doable, and I got a soft spot for wheeled gun platforms.
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I am getting it just to make a lineup with the class 3p and boxer MGS because I cannot be bothered to keep playing 6.7 germany to progress the tree ( I have not played german tanls in years)
Interesting lineup but not one I can recommend.
German 6.7 is one of the better ones.
One you should look out for is 9.3/9.7, that is abaolutely goated BR range for germany and probably one of the best german lineups overall - and coincidentally R400 will fit right in.
Ngl I kinda hate playing king tigers
That’s my whole point I am at 7.0 right now because I just cannot have fun playing that lineup. So I need something higher up so I can research past that area
if I can be completly honest, I get it.
I have yet to spade any TT Tiger II, and I only spaded the 105 one this year.
well, cant blame you. sad thing is, it wont get better up until 9.3/9.7 lol.
As of current patch, 7.7 is weird, 8.0 is arguably weird but not as much, 8.3/8.7 is just france but worse, 9.0 is relatively mid when 9.3/9.7 exists.
So you will do a lot of skipping probably.
That’s the plan with the weird lineup I suggested. Maybe even without the Boxer to keep it 9.7
The boxer also recently got the gunner sight nerf from 10x to 8x in exchange for irst target track, really hate the change though I would want that 2x back and return the tracking lol
huh, completly missed that one.
See I feel like that’s the problem though there’s so many good 9.3/9.7s there’s no spot to put r400. I mostly play ab, and 9.3 has leo1a5, leo1 L/44 and the third slot is usually t72 to clean up enemy team or class3p/Kpz70 for a mobile option. Don’t see a spot for r400 when class3p exists tbh maybe you guys playing rb will have better luck with it
I have custom sight as soon as gaijin makes any change, it will stop working. It’s indirectly a detector for changes, at this point my Boxer will become a backup for any maps that aren’t advance to the rhine-esque design. Maybe I would be getting the Leo 2AV as a filler, spec wise it is better than TTD in pretty much everywhere.
Im thinking about replacing either Kpz70 or T-72M1, not entirely sure which one yet.
lol.
How would your lineup look like? Hard to judge on sole vehicle only.
For me, Boxer is staying as open map option. I personally dont see that much issue with 8x zoom, the combo of shell and clean thermals work for the distance I play it anyway.
My 10.3 is actually pretty incomplete with only light tanks currently, PUMA, TAM 2C and Boxer, four if I count the Radpanzer in line and Leo 2K seems to held up fine as backup since it has 15.9x gunner sight and can do what Leo 2A4 does and better as a hull down sniper just without the armor. Boxer imo is strong because of the reload, the turret is overall less survivable than Radpanzer because it has ammo in them, even in hull down position it just blows up by a hit from 2S38, same issue with TAMs.
Hmm, why not 10.0 as 9.7 has nothing there, I find the T-72M1 perform better if you hodl W to the objecttive points, works great as second spawn to my 10.0/10.3 as it just straight up delete T-72B when both see each other at the cap zone, while the KPZ is 10 times the better sniper than the T-72A I find the ammunition pretty dogshit to be uptier to see uparmored T-72 variants, I’d say you buy more slots and keep both as they are both pretty strong vehicles when played correctly.
Boer works for me as the long range option, it has the mobility neccesary to cross the map and firepower that can deal with threats at long ranges, and the 5 sec reload allows me to pump out few shots more before having to relocate unlike Radkampf.
But I digress.
I want a 9.3/9.7 lineup.
While T-72A is my go-to city brawler, Im not sure id call it good enough to stand toe-to-toe with 10.3s (where the T-80UD lurks).
I wouldnt snipe with Kpz70 in the first place, the sabot just doesnt work for me, HEAT has low velocity (and its HEAT) and Shillelagh is, well, Shillelagh. Fun to use against helicopters, and thats it.
I use it mostly for flanking and brawling where the mobility and 6 sec reload comes into play.
nah, if it was just crew slot, maybe, but its also the crew exp. and im not sure I want another crew for germany. Even now some of my older lineups have empty crew slots as I simply dont play germany anymore bar the 9.3/9.7/10.7/12.7 and occasionally the KT105/Panther II.
I completely removed the ATGM from my loadout lol that initial dip pissed me off so much. The HEAT can also be used to hit targets behind cover if you sit far enough, doing exactly what BMP-3/BMD-4 does by using HE ballistic factors to adjust for the bullet’s arc to hit targets sitting behind cover, can dish out the damage while completely hidden behind cover as well. Sabot is just dogwater I agree, feels exactly like M735 or something, at least its still not worse than the 3BM25 from T-55s though. Also the kpz/mbt70 has 14.x gunner sight makes them an excellent snipers, it also carry smoke and 152mm provide better coverage and you can go anywhere you want with that excellent engine power, it’s actually the fastest MBT at 9.3 I believe.
for me it isnt as much as the dip as the manual loading time. completly unusable in normal combat, but hey, at least you can do something about ATGM helis.
aye, same shenanigans as Sheridian and Starship. Shame it doesnt get much use tho.
I mean sure, you can count the pores on the nose of the enemy gunner with such zoom, but what good it is if you cant pen in the first place.
Ye and thats why I think its good flanker, because it also nullifies the issue of its pen.
But I digress.
Point is, R400 will likely be added to that lineup of mine, prolly replacing the T-72 now that I think about it.
Yes, takes too much time to aim, first use binocular to range find, then LMB to align cross on target, then switch back to gunner and shoot, or hold LMB and switch to gunner to shoot, really takes time to get used to and even longer to master it, also have to sit back just enough not to expose the turret dome else this could be meaningless.