yep and the mig15´s and f86´s get outturned by this thing…
Do you have something to back that up with? Statshark is showing the same turn rate for all of the variants, with energy retention being v3 > v2 > v1.
Which doesn’t matter? An A6M2 out turns those planes too! Does it win the fight? Neither does the R2Y2.
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A6M2 BR 9.3 when?
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It does when you have energy and they try to turnfight everything… I shot way too many mig15’s down only bc I had a slightly energy advantagr and they tried to outturn me.
I know if the player plays not as the usual suspect its not winable, but its wt and these planes are meta
Any plane works when the other player is dumb.
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R2Y2 is not meta… the f*?
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Badly phrased mb, I mesn the mig15 is meta
then yeah I agree
More or less, but the enemy is actively trying to turnfight you, which is more or less your strength, f84’s, aplpha jets and other planes would have trouble doing this like the r2y2…
Your strength is also quickly lost when you turn… a slow r2y2 is easy to kill
It is, but avoiding the furball with the lack of speed will help you many times to stay out of the danger of getting 3rd partied.
I did well enough, so I dont think it will move down, bc mostly the average players and the above average players play it and gaijin does statcard balancing so I wouldnt think they would move it down(and ofc now its not available anymore).
And I liked the somewhat painful grind/playstyle. So I wouldnt mind…
Then that is a literal skill issue on the Mig 15s and Sabres, as both planes will outspeed, outclimb, outaccelerate, outgun and retain enegry better than the R2Y2. There is actively no reason for either a Mig 15 or Sabre to even engage in a turn fight with a R2Y2 as they have such a large energy and performance advantage that they can just BnZ or energy fight a R2Y2, and the R2Y2 can’t do anything as it has neither the performance or energy retention to even keep up.
Heck the Vampire is at 8.0br and it can turn better than both the Mig 15s and Sabres, but like the R2Y2 is outsped, outclimbed, outaccelerated, and has worse energy retention then the Mig 15s and Sabres. So because the Vampire can turn better, does that mean the Vampire should remain at 8.0br despite it being clearly underpowdered compared to other 8.0br jets and well as worse than 7.7br jets? The answer is literally no, the same is with the R2Y2.
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And Meteor was forgotten again XD
I didn’t forget the Meteor, currently the only Meteors at 8.0br are just the Meteor Mk4 G41G, Meteor FR mk 9, Meteor mk 8 G41K, Mk 8 Reaper, and the Isreali and Belgium Mk 8s. The Meteor mk 8 and the FR mk 9 are perfectly balanced at 8.0br, however the Meteor mk 4 G41G is in a bit of limbo as it worse then the Meteor mk 8 and mk 9 due to the weaker engines, however compared to the Mk 4 G41F, it is clearly better. It is quite literally stuck at 8.0br as if dropped to 7.7br like the Mk4 G41F, it would be op and give no reason to even use the Mk4 G41F.
The solution to this meteor would be much needed decompression at jet tiers. Heck in general, for 7.0-14.0br, decompression is so badly needed at this point, as we need a top BR of at least 15.0 or even 16.0br with the current roster of jets we have.
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Yep most jets only feel okay to play bc the normal jrts you fight have skill issue. The vampire is in the same boat more or less, but I cant say how good the vampire is or how good/bad it feels to play, bc I havent played it much(swedish one). Do they belong there if noone plays their jet wrong? -No. Do I want the R2y2 to face props?- No. I dont think that the R2y2 performs better if you drrop it in br, bc it has some problems keeping a high speed. In general for me its a 8.0 jet who is underpowered compared to the rest, it has better turnrate than many other jets it see’s, has good weapons and much ammo. And goesnt have to see props all the time which would bring the fun part about this plane you can have to an end.
I’d argue that a BR drop would make the R2Y2 perform better than its current BR as for one thing, a BR drop to at least 7.7 will at least not let it face jets like the CL13B, G91Y, F-40 Sabre, and F3H which massively outperforms the R2Y2 while carrying Air to air missiles. If its BR was dropped to 7.3br (the most appropriate BR for it), then it wouldn’t have to face Mig 17s, Mig 15bis, Cl13A, F series Sabre, G91 R, etc. A BR drop would at least make it so the R2Y2 will face more of its contemporaries and less of jets like the Mig 15bis, 17, F-series Sabre, Cl13, and such.
And for the record, props can handle the R2Y2 just like an other early jet such as the Me 262 A, F-80A, and such, as props will still have better climb rate, better low speed acceleration, as well as better altitude performance, and arguably better weaponry compared to the R2Y2.
Lets be frank, both the R2Y2 and Vampire have been overtiered for years due to the fact of two reasons: 1) Since 2021, players that have joined are unable to learn and use tactics, and instead resort to turnfighting the first aircraft they see regardless of whether they know or not that said aircraft they engage has very good turnfighting ability (the exact reason why we have Zeros at high BRs), and 2) Mainly only good players are the ones that even use the R2Y2 or Vampire, which causes their stats to be inflated despite the plane being worse than its contemporaries.
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