cool
From what I’ve seen, the AIM120 pulls better than the R77. Stat cards are mostly useless. I’d be fine with R77 having less range than AIM120 if it actually had its much greater manoeuvrability. R77 drag is insane right now, and I believe AIM120A would still beat R77-1 at longer ranges with how the R77’s drag is modelled at the moment
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Exactly, thank you for actually getting what I’m trying to say.
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They may have to work on the R-77 and it may get updates like the AIM-54 has gotten periodically, but those grid fins bite into the air to maneuver so its going to cause issues.
The main issue right now is that red side has FAR worse flight-models for climbing / high altitude performance, and MUCH worse radars, and 30-40% less range against manoeuvring target*. (exact figure depends on range)
All these things combined is makes red-team experience miserable at the moment. The range alone is incredibly bad, but when you also factor in the enemies being able to get a much larger energy advantage on you on top of that, in addition to your radar taking ages to re-acquire (with recent scan-pattern changes, it can sometimes take the flanker radar 9-13 seconds to get bearing in TWS)…
My opinion is from the perspective of a sim player, I don’t play RB
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Agreed. Attempting BVR with any REDFOR plane in SB always results in a bad experience.
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If you wouldnt have bricks instead of head, you will understand in BVR it doesnt really matter 25 or 50G. And higher G is actually worse as the missile just bleeds energy much faster doing tighter turns.
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Drag modelled properly
That type of fins only will help on veeeery high altitudes.
Same seekers by datamine, which is 99% properly.
What is your source for this?
From what I understand, R77 should have less drag at higher speeds, and more drag at transsonic. I don’t see it modelled differently at mach 1 and mach 2 in the files anywhere. I’ve also heard they did the time-to-target range tests with the old lofting, which they then removed, but never compensated the missiles drag for this
I didn’t say anything about seekers?
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Google Study reporr of Grid fins.
And it near to same in wt.
Loft works bad in wt
And it still present on R-77
You are.
That’s not a source
? AIM120 and R77 has the same loft
I’m talking about radars, on the actual jets - not the missiles.
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This should be the case for lattice fins unless they drag something miraculous out of the filing cabinet. From memory, lattice fins are pretty much on par with planar at low speed, rubbish at transonic, and if you get the speed high enough they start to become better.
That aside, why should Russia get something better over an accurately modeled missile whilst France doesn’t have an even vaguely correctly modeled missile?
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Your argument is invalid. If you have to insult people to try and force a point then you are just wrong. I didnt even finish reading what ever you were trying to say. Its sad that people cant have a conversation with out their ego getting hurt and having to result in personal attacks.
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Research not a souce, ofc.
Aim-120 have some bigger value
But best loft is derby.
Guy before sayed about missile - you about plane radar.
Can make any claim you want and pretend you researched it. Generally linking to your sources is the main way to be believed :p
Or having the confidence not to whine about it.
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Shouldnt the fins also have less drag at higher altitude due to density altitude , so it would mean that they would have to try and get into a fight at higher altitudes? so kinda play it like the Aim-54 but higher?
Not every research posted by NASA and etc.
Yeah go ahead R-77-1 but also AIM-120 C-5 since it on the same league
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From memory, lattice relies primarily on speed for the benefits. A higher mach number improving the performance.