Su-30M2 should already have come and I believe it would have been a more unique implement than the Su-27SM
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Gaijin should’ve skipped the SU27SM honestly, the SM3 was gonna be a huge upgrade to Russia from the normal SU27.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FTINp3ILB1Ls
And that might be fun but not about kinematic
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/W8OLhmU2uAPQ
And there s few more, that can massivly buff 120
Yeah yeah give Russian newer missile than others while other can’t have anything on the same league as them is “Balance” hah sick
So much hate for US that i had entire tree until last patch )))))))))))))))))) I am simply just not retarded US main like you and i play all nations so i have all around knowledge about things and how they perform. And also i know R-77-1 wont change anything in AMRAAMs domination. If anything,PL-12 with its acutal range should outrange everything except AMRAAM D. Yet again,in WT it doesnt. Its also very gimped. I would actually say AMRAAM is the least gimped ARH ig atm.
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They could’ve atleast added a conglomerate of the two (they are known to do that) with the N011 BARS (the PD not the PESA variant) and the better engines
and the european nations should have gotten their eurocanards and just bodied the russian planes and american ones.
But hey, we cant all get what we want
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Then come back to our discussion and try not to check my or anybodys stats challenge (impossible)
But you don’t understand, that would be unfair to the big 3 and we can’t have that.
According to lot of them F-4F ICE is better than SU-27SM lol I didn’t expected reason with them anyway
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It IS better in the BVR arena
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Maybe they think that Ej kai also better, everything might be.
I’m honestly lost as to why Russia should receive special treatment i.e a completely new ARH missile just because their current one isn’t as good as the Wests (mind you, a number of Western aircraft with the AMRAAM, which is what R-77 is being compared to, are significantly inferior to the Su-27SM in practically every other way; i.e Tornado F.3 & F-4F ICE).
Where were y’all when Russia had the best SARH missile, tho? I mean, R-27ER was and still is so much better than the AIM-7F/M/SkyFlash etc.
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With wt maps - you still can get close.
I complained about the R-27ER the whole tim as well, and the same when the F-14A was sealclubbing MiG-23s. It’s just a pissing contest of who can power creep more.
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If mld didnt have 24T that was capable to lock way better than now then kinda true.
F-14 was just a magnet for ir missiles.
It still a Phantom just upgraded F-4
BVR is all it have
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There is another reason to even removing the r77 and adding the R77-1. It’s not a russian missile. It’s ukrainian. Russia never adopted it and ordered a very limited number.
The r77-1 is a russian missile though
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Maybe it is export version
I don’t see it that way. Back during the ER & F-14A days, it was a single (or at worst two) nation(s) doing the ‘clubbing’, currently we have a number of nations on roughly equal footing par some having to use inferior airframes without any alternatives.
Russia isn’t by any means being clubbed right now. Sure, the R-77 is worse than the AMRAAM, but guess what - pretty much every ARH missile at the moment is worse than the AMRAAM, it just so happens to be the most potent in the most categories, and is the most used on top of that (i.e Germany, UK, US, Japan, Italy(?), Sweden).
So, the current situation is pretty much a reverse of how the top tier was back in 2022 & 2023. Instead of pretty much everyone having to put up with the R-27ER, now it’s just Russia who has to learn how to play around the AMRAAM being better. Idk, seems like a fair deal to me.
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