R-77-1 but no AIM-120C-5?

Typical US main post yk

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What have you seen about it?

And… thats it

Don’t argue with them. They’ll give themselves any possible excuse to keep things as is or make them worse for everyone else. Like they did with su-34, like they did with pantsir, like they did with era, etc. etc.

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IIRC the only real difference between the R-77 and R-77-1 is a bigger motor giving it longer range as well as a new seeker to hold tracking better. Depending on how it’s implemented it will likely still be a bit worse than the AIM-120A/B.

The AIM-120C-5 gets improved seekerhead, greater gimbal limits, new delta-fins that give it 40G overload while not losing more speed when turning and IIRC also beter guidance logic so it doesn’t waste energy as much.
It’s quite the difference compared to getting a few extra km ranger and a bit better radar lock.

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Welp
Looks like theyre changing 77-1

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They haven’t for a while been meta in air

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that isn’t the reason why soviet be the only one that get new missile
what about France MICA EM? the one with similar missile of R-77 why they aren’t they get something new too?

Wrong nation bro

They haven’t been crying enough about their current missile being subpar

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So basically what you’re saying is the r 77m is more comparable to the AIM 120c-5?

I didn’t say it was, i was just countering the argument OP made for the AIM-120C-5 coming to the game now. I haven’t said anything about any other missiles.

This is a graph for a target that flies straight at you without maneuvering.

You see how the 120 takes a bit less time to reach its target and the 77 has a bit higher speed on impact? Well, consider now actual battle scenarios where the target is defending against your missile or at least maneuvering to engage someone else. The 77 then has nowhere near the 120’s range because it bleeds speed when turning at a much higher rate. When the 120 can hit some maneuvering target at 25 km, the 77 usually can only do that at 15 km.

That graph alone will not tell you the whole story.

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Whose datamine is it? Can you drop a link?

Raw changes
But you can go to github, if thats already uploaded.
From WT snail mine.

I don’t know enough about the R-77M to have an opinion sadly.
Do you have any links to information about it?

Discord? Which channel?

gszabi’s repo has not been updated yet.

From what I can find (I’m not sure whats a good trusted source) the r 77m has an aesa seeker and a dual stage motor.
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/Asset/70822f0f2e8de125f5a54a9c42a022ba

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Gaijin already said the performance difference between the -77 and -77-1 is very minimal and they don’t believe it will impact the game as much as most Russian hopeful players will want.
But we will see