10-20GHz will make it useless against I-Band radars. So in the A2A role it won’t very useful at all.
isnt 10-20GHz in the J-band? im not really a radar specialist so sorry if i get it wrong
also wdym against I-band radars?
So a passive missile will need to seek radars in the target range. If that range is J-band it will be blind to I-Band radars which is most HPRF radars.
oh ok… so unless I* band radars are common at a BR these missiles wont be very useful…
but what about the EA or the EM (< this is only for the SU-27 AFAIK because the MiG29 wasnt made compatible or something)
*edit: J-band
10-20GHz is J-band. So for example the R-27P wouldn’t be able to target the Tornado F.3 as it has an I-Band radar. The targets will have to be in the 10-20GHz range.
The ALARM anti radiation missile has a range of 2-18GHz which covers most radars in the game.
The R-27P is going to be pretty useless in its A2A role and in A2G it’s going to be pretty limited as well. As most search radars are very low band so it will be limited to tracking radars and if you’re being tracked that’s not a great situation to be in.
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It’s R-27R’s SARH seeker, not R-27P’s. As well “item 470-1” is R-27R. Somebody confused russian “P” (R) and english P.
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I thought most aircraft radars were IEEE X band, which is 8 - 12 GHz (i.e. straddling the border between NATO I & J bands). So it might be useful if the radar is on the upper end of X band.
I was under the impression that R-27P was meant for the air-to-air role, so would expect it to have some capability against such radars.
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I was under the impression it was meant for targeting things like AWACS but generally failed to hit anything.
This paragraph from David Gledhill’s book on the F.3 implies that it was a concern for Tornado pilots. But maybe Britain wasn’t sure of it’s capabilities so just assumed the worst case scenario (that it could be used against fighters).
Edit: He mentions it again here:
Given how over estimated some the of R-27 missiles are in the F.3 tactics manual I don’t doubt they were worried
yeah i realised too late, srry
I checked the productions company’s website and even there it seems ambiguous and the picture seems very old as if no new models are available for show:
https://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/rakety_r-27p1-_r-27ep1.html
note
You will have to translate using google lens or google translate but the old method of translating whole pages isnt working on this website
The main tracking method seems to be a (emphasis on the SEEMS) automatic radio emission detecting seeker head which scans the ‘forward hemisphere’. i doubt it is capable of scanning the entirety of a hemisphere keeping in mind gimbal limits.
That doesn’t stop gaijin from making them absolutely impossible to dodge and equipped on everything from mig21 and up.
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well tbf the current R-27 variants in game are pretty easy to notch as for dodging, they can be min ranged at 2km and as for max range well youre pretty much boned unless u got pheonixes
It does because Gaijin admitted as such for anti-radiation missiles. They’re not as useful as people think.
@Gunjob
might you know of this?
[Avtomatika 9B-1032 X-band anti-radiation seeker]
or maybe this?
[CNS 9B-1102]
Spoiler
Because if this is an X-band passive radiation seeker like the sources say, we might get to see the R-27P/EP in game someday.
reason:
The missile has a reduced overload relative to other versions of the R-27, and will also easily lose the target if it turns away. In War thunder battles, its effectiveness will be low
as far as ive read, the targets acceptable overload is around 5.5G and the missile itself has the same overload limits as the other R-27s.
i doubt, the russians would make a modern missile that is incapable of hitting anything plus its designed to target small fighter aircraft and not awacs
I made a report to fix the MiG-29s AoA, no dedicated MiG-29 thread so posting it here I guess.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/H409F96xHyZa
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