Questions about the future of the Strv122 family

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Hello! I’m a big fan of the Strv122 family and was curious about the future of the top-tier main battle tank in the Swedish tree, so I decided to post this question.

Until the 2A7V was released, the Strv122 family was divided into the standard 2A5, which had excellent penetration and maneuverability, and the Strv122, which had relatively poor penetration and maneuverability but good protection. However, with the release of the 2A7V and the BR change, this distinction is no longer so clear, and I feel that the Strv122 is effectively inferior to the 2A7V. I understand that the Strv122 family has thicker armor than the 2A7V. However, the penetration power of in-game APFSDS is sufficient, and the 2A7V’s armor is not strong enough to prevent penetration by HAET warheads such as the Kornet, which are commonly used in this BR range. Therefore, I don’t think the claim that it is superior to the 2A7V in terms of protection is very valid. Also, the additional armor on top of the turret seems ineffective in today’s helicopter F&F missile environment.

Furthermore, the recent increase in the reload speed of Soviet main battle tanks only deepens these doubts.

So, will the Strv122 be given new, improved penetration ammunition or improved resolution FLIR, or will a new vehicle be released with these added? Or will we have to wait until the Finnish 2A7V, Norwegian 2A8, or Swedish Strv123 arrive? :)

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I feel youre kinda overlooking the fact that sweden cam field three uparmored Leo2s to single 2A7V.

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All of which have slightly better protection than the 2A7s lol.

The Strv 122s are still easily the shared best top tier MBTs. Sweden doesn’t need and shouldn’t get any of these things anytime soon.

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Yes, I know that, but I like to think about it in isolation.

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You kinda cant, since the ground is built around lineups.

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You say “The Strv 122 is still arguably the strongest top-tier MBT,” but what factors led you to that conclusion? In my opinion, it’s strong, but not the strongest. Could you please explain?

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So does that mean we can’t add more vehicles?

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No one said that.

I merely point out your comparison overlooks the fact that sweden can field three of the uparmored Leos2 without having to use backups, while 2A7V can be deployed at max 2 times per battle.

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Ah, I see. Sorry. I was using machine translation, so I must have misread it.
It’s true that even if each individual vehicle is inferior, if you can stably operate a reasonably strong fleet, the overall force will be strong.
It seems they were confused, caught up in the wave of Soviet military power. :)
Now, I’m curious about what modifications were made to the Strv 122, so I’ll start a separate thread about that.

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decent-good mobility, decent-good firepower and best in class armor and survivability.

Playing the Strv 122s and 2A7s is pretty much playing top tier with training wheels on. You have armor to protect you from bad shots, spall liners to help you survive shots that did penetrate and good mobility to get away from bad situations.

Most top tier MBTs only get 1-2 of these things, but the Strv 122 and 2A7 get all 2 of them.

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Thank you all. We were defeated by the Soviet Union, but thanks to you we were able to overcome our doubts.lol

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doesnt exist never purchased

doesnt exist in the coming years.

2a8 and strv123 is the same thing either way and i dont see sweden getting both, likely only 1 strv 123 version

besides that like thge others pointed oput strv122 is still the ebst mbt in the game and sweden gets 3 of them, there is no reason for it to gain more

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Gaijin is going to add a premium Strv 123A, you just wait. It’ll be like ‘Strv 123-0’ as a pre-production series like most other Swedish tanks had.

Ofc this is speculation for the coming year or two. Gaijin won’t add it until at least one 122 is ‘refurbished’ and brought to the 123 standard.

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First refurbished batch is expected in the next year to two years…

Compared to their ordered STRV 123B (Leo 2A8+ I’m sure their adding more things to them armor wise) which are expected in 2028-2030.

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thats still a long as time either way, and we dont have the full specs either last i remember, if they plan to add aps and so on on those

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Next round of tanks will include the german Leo 2A7A1 and then 2A8. The swedish will most likely get a copy paste 2A8 from the Norwegians since that’s easiest for Gaijin. Then after they can spend some time for the Strv123. I don’t thing the swedes need a 2A7V from the finnish.

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This year flew for me, so it may seem a while for you. However I don’t think they’re looking into APS on the A models.

I think they’re more focused on raw armor profiles and firepower, I think the 2A8’s are just a bolstering choice, because I don’t believe they plan to phase out the 122’s given a large urban environment in Sweden and the shorter barrels uses.

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I see, so if it is implemented, the Norwegian 2a8 will be added at the same time as the German 2A8 or in the next update. However, this will cause the Swedish top MBT to have four tanks, which will raise the issue of how to solve this.

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What do you mean raise the issue.

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3 Strv 122 with the norwegian 2A8 will make sweden almost better than the germans in terms of protection. I don’t see an issue here. It could be a balancing thing where Germany has the best rounds but a little less protection while Swedes have the better protection but a slightly less performing APFSDS which honestly doesn’t have an impact that much.