well sometimes you need to have additions to TT’s to keep them up to date with other TT’s its called balancing
Germany is a power house by itself. The Sweden tree is the better melting pot for this. Germany doesn’t need to be the next China (a TT with zero uniqueness and just a USSR tree that’s easier to grind with US planes).
I don’t even think Taiwan should be coupled with China, but we know why they did that…
Being unique only matters when it’s a non-US country getting a US jet, it seems.
Their already will be 3 Tech Trees (US, UK, & Sweden) rocking the F18 and 3 Tech Trees rocking the EF-T (Germany, Italy, & UK).
And? There’s currently more countries rocking Leopard 2s or will be in the near future than there are F-18 users in this game.
We really don’t need everyone and their mother getting repeating tech trees.
Yea and? Why should Sweden, a Nordic country, be entitled to Switzerland, a Germanic country again? You’ve done your best to dodge answering this, so I’m gonna hold you accountable.
Germany is a power house by itself.
Ah yes, the powerhouse with a Tornado ADS and an F-4F to fight Gripens, F-15s and Su-27s. Please tell me you’re being ironic RIGHT NOW.
germany dosent have any decent air options at the moment, germany is not going to be next china switzerland can add a few vehicles that would fill the lack of a competent top tier arcraft together with adding a few unique light tanks
This isn’t balancing. If you want to fly the F16 pick one of the other 6 nations flying it. It is already over saturated.
Again we don’t need every single tree to be spammed with US Fighters. Only the nations that flew them should have them. Japan is questionable but none the less.
Are you going to give the USA the Mig 25 (defector version), Mig 29 (defector version), and EF Typhoon since the Red Flag games happen at Nellis quite often?
We need more uniqueness not less. We don’t need every nation to have every fighter.
We have 6 nations rocking the F16 as it is… Again, Germany shouldn’t get the F16 or F18. They have their own unique vehicles they can use.
Not dodging, its a stupid question. We don’t need another over saturated nation when Germany has its own strong points.
Since Fredericksburg Texas is a Germanic settlement Should the USA get the EF Typhoon? Since Texas once flew the Spanish flag should USA get the EF Typhoon and Tornadoes?
no if you want your nation to have a way of properly defending themselves from air targets in case they get killed in their fla rak rad or other SPAA’s you want a proper airplane capable of that, no if players playing germany want to support their ground allies let them have cas its not illegal
Germany out right rejected the F18, openly said no we don’t want it. You should contend with that and Germany shouldn’t get it.
We don’t need this silly over saturation mental gymnastics 3rd dimension everything’s connected garbage.
If you want to play Leopard 2s, play Germany instead of playing Sweden. Works both ways.
Again we don’t need every single tree to be spammed with US Fighters. Only the nations that flew them should have them. Japan is questionable but none the less.
Cool. Balancing TTs trumps your self-deluded reasons for withholding the Swiss F-18C (btw, the Swiss are in 99% going to be Germany’s sub-TT) from Germany.
Are you going to give the USA the Mig 25 (defector version), Mig 29 (defector version), and EF Typhoon since the Red Flag games happen at Nellis quite often?
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Unlike US, Germany is very low on what’s left to add, they literally have at best 3 to 4 jets to add after the KWS, seeing as a good portion of EFT Blocks will bring nothing of essence to the game, unless you consider fibre-optic cable upgrades to be “substantial”.
Besides, two can play this game. F-18E/F for Germany (trials), F-15E too (trials), F-15C (stationed in Germany), F-16C (also stationed), F-22 (flew a few times over German skies). I dunno how you can make these “claims” with a straight face honestly, I wouldn’t be able to be as disingenious as you are even if my brain had rotted to its very core.
We need more uniqueness not less. We don’t need every nation to have every fighter.
Too bad, this ship has sailed long ago.
Not dodging, its a stupid question. We don’t need another over saturated nation when Germany has its own strong points.
You are the one who made that point. Also please, do tell me what strong points they have in the air.
Since Fredericksburg Texas is a Germanic settlement Should the USA get the EF Typhoon? Since Texas once flew the Spanish flag should USA get the EF Typhoon and Tornadoes?
Anddd now you’re resorting to simply strawmanning me, wow. Now I feel dumb that I ever even contemplated that you wouldn’t resort to logical fallacies… a US air main through and through.
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look the only thing silly herre is the fact you think im the one making mental gymnastics when you are somehow using the most stupid arguments ever i put you into perspective “why switzerland its a good option?”, it would fill a needed air lineup for germany like for example france had with benelux, your response? straight up call me an idiot without a proper argument except saying “germany rejected the F-18” im talking about switzerland in general not even talking about an specific plane yet you cant keep a civil conversation with somebody, and if you cant keep your bad mouth and call me straight up an idiot i refuse to conversate any further with you
Balancing should never mean "and you get an F18, and you get an F18, and you get an F18). Hopefully the devs aren’t delusional and throw an F18 into Germany just to appease some notion that they should have “everything”. You already have F4s, Migs, Gripens, and Tornadoes. How much one tech tree gets everything do you need? Germany is fine.
Germany rejected the F16 and the F18. Openly. Said no. Their for, they shouldn’t get it.
Mig 29G has the R73 and R27-ER. Arguably the best missiles in game. The Aim-9X has been withheld for “balance” which is the counter to the Aim-9X. Not the Aim-9M we are stuck with. R27-ER will out fly the Aim-120 in TTT and is the only missile allowed to reacquire through datalink. Even though the Aim-120 has this ability, in game its prevented from using it and its HOJ/HOR feature.
This is all side tracking though. The Mig-29 is the counter to the F16. Germany is fine where its at. Players playing the Mig like its still prop head on battles isn’t the Jets fault.
This was your logical fallacy because you want an over saturated TT.
Germany should not get the F16 or F18 just like the US TT should not get the EF Typhoon. Simple as that.
so you are fine with britain getting a canadian F-18 but germany not?
Despite that germany doesn’t have the gripen
Over saturating a TT with vehicles the nation shouldn’t see isn’t balance. Its just allowing players to get everything they want out of one TT instead of diversity and shouldn’t happen in this case.
dont try to act up like if nothing happened, you know what you said and if you are going to insult me for the mere fact of having a simple conversation with you i’d rather not keep it
Canada is a member of the British Commonwealth of Nations. Along with Australia. So yes, that makes sense.
Both are confirmed to not be subtrees? So you are against c&p if germany gets it but fine if britain gets another c&p plane in addition to the gripen, because unlike germany britain already got a plane to be competitive at top tier air
Seems really hypocritical. I am not against britain getting a F-18 btw.
You could just simply play one of the other 6 nations that have an F16, or one of the other 3 nations that will get an F18.
Germany doesn’t need to be a one Nation has it all TT. You will get the EF Typhoon and F35II when it comes.
Balancing is about how one nation performs compared to others; right now Germany is bottom of the barrel, so they will receive an F-18C to fill out the gap until a more advanced EFT can be reliably inserted into the game without upsetting top tier balance more than needed.
We don’t have (a) Gripen(s) in the German TT; what, tell me, have you ever even looked at how Germany’s TT is structured? Because to me, it seems like you never have. Tornado’s are dogshit, and the and the F-4F is also dogshit compared to your F-15s and F-16s, yet you dare talk about “balancing” as if you have any idea what it means when all you do is play the 2 most oppressive nations in the game in their respective game modes, the US and Sweden.
Go play Germany first before making the most baseless of claims; however, of course, you will not because you know how badly Germany is farring when it comes to air, so you purposefully are avoiding grinding them.
Mig 29G has the R73 and R27-ER.
Ahh my R-27ERs against AIM-120s!
The Aim-9X has been withheld for “balance” which is the counter to the Aim-9X.
What does this sentence even mean? Besides, you have clearly zero understanding of how much more powerful the 9X is compared to the R-73; an IIR seeker is quite literally impossible to spoof with non-volumetric flares, and we don’t have those in the game, so yeah, it has been withheld for balance because it would be BALANCE BREAKING. But you, as a US main, don’t ever consider balance unless it’s in your favor, no?
You’re probably not even aware that AIM-9M is currently the better missile when compared to the R-73 either.
This was your logical fallacy because you want an over saturated TT.
Tell me how many jets at T7 and T8 US has and how many Germany has. (You also have no idea what logical fallacy stands for it appears…). Even better, the term “over-saturated TT” is your very own construct, that you put in our mouths, while pretending that we desire every single thing on this planet, holy moly.
Germany should not get the F16 or F18 just like the US TT should not get the EF Typhoon. Simple as that.
Which Germany will because Switzerland operates them, US doesn’t operate EFTs. Go cry me a river.
Oh, and of course you’re still dodging my question. I guess you at least have enough brain power to comprehend that the claim you made was so stupid, it’s better for you to completely avoid commenting on it further because that’s the only way out of the grave you yourself had digged.
Balancing should never include over saturating a TT that doesn’t need nor should have it. Germany has the Tornado for CAS. Germany will get the EF-Typhoon. This artifical gap filling with the F16 that is already in 6 other TTs shouldn’t happen.
Finland flys the F18 so it should go to Sweden not to Germany. Germany should never see a Swiss Sub-TT.
R73 is generally considered more maneuverable than the Aim-9X. The Aim-9X has a much better sensor sweet and datalink abilities with multi-feed from other sources. One flies better, the other tracks better. This is actually how balance works.
T7-T8 isn’t the only tier this game has. Germany is currently top 2 from 8.3 - 10 with Italy. It is a back and forth. USA isn’t even Top dog at Top Tier. Sweden, Japan, and Italy are. We going to ingore the G91 being broken when it came? The ME262 was a nuisance until people learned how to counter it. The back and forth is real.
Yes. Oversaturated. We don’t need every TT to be a copy paste. Some uniqueness and variety is ok. The TT don’t need to copy each other. This should be the opposite of what happens as we are seeing much non-variety.
Germany doesn’t need to be the everything in one TT. This isn’t balance, its laziness. To think you should get the F16, F18, EF-T, and everything else because your neighbors have them just means you want a TT where you can avoid having to play other nations.
What this really boils down to is “I don’t want to have to research anything but one tree to get everything” and this game should never be this way.
A little variety in TT use is ok.
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Tornado with 4 bombs vs an F-16C with 6xMav Ds and 2 bombs. It also has an abysmal flight model, worse air armament etc etc. They’re not at the same capability level and you’re delusional if you think these two jets are in any way comparable.
Also what, artificial gap? So for you a gap is only artificial when it’s between other nations and the US, of course in the latters favour, no? If so, lets actually balance this game and lets remove all F-15s, the F-16C and also the F-14B.
Finland flys the F18 so it should go to Sweden not to Germany. Germany should never see a Swiss Sub-TT.
Cool, Swiss are coming whether you like it or not.
T7-T8 isn’t the only tier this game has.
Irrelevant. The topic is about top tier, as such these are the only tiers that should be debated, everything else is just you moving the goalpost.
We don’t need every TT to be a copy paste. Some uniqueness and variety is ok. The TT don’t need to copy each other. This should be the opposite of what happens as we are seeing much non-variety.
Oh noeess, one jet is a C&P of another, what a brutal case of over-saturation!!11
Germany doesn’t need to be the everything in one TT. This isn’t balance, its laziness.
Okay then, give us AIM-120C-8 and IRIS-T for the F-4F ICE as well as Paveway IVs and Litening III, then we can start talking “balance”. Because the way the game’s currently set up, Germany is not “balanced” by any means, it’s underperforming in the air, especially compared to your beloved US.
What this really boils down to is “I don’t want to have to research anything but one tree to get everything” and this game should never be this way.
Why are you playing Sweden ground instead of Germany then? If you want to play Leopard 2s, go play Germany. You’re a hypocrite who’s very happy to preach his beliefs to others while refusing to adhere to them himself.