PZH2000/HU is a bit op for 7.7

PZH is one of the worst vehicles I ever played. Its like a derp gun vehicle at very low br, but this one is dead serious at 7.7 with nothing than 155mm HE (a low BR shell type). All these heavy tanks are immune when you hit their main or side armor, you have to precisely aim for spots where overpressure might work.

While you have the size of the bus without armor. Even rifle cal MGs might penetrate you. Its meh, except for one of these truly big maps where your laser range finder matters.

Edit: Jesus, another close combat factory map. Its so lost.

Lemme guess, you are stock?

I like Artys :)


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it is pretty damn busted man, the vidar is also still under BR’d where it is. all of these SPAAG should get all their kit and sit at a more respectable BR not dogging on ww2 tanks cause gaijin wants to arbitrarily nerf em

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yeah most of medium tank at around >7.3 BR can easily get rekt by artillery, the laser range finder is also pretty much R+click the giant ammo rack can also be solve by just bring <28 shells

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Not needed. It’s no where near OP.

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It is absolutely sharting on 7.7, it got its reload buffed (so it should have)
Hell even seen a few of then in top tier doing gods work.

Realistically it should go up to maybe 8.0.
No doubt it go up due to the amount of good players using it as well.

Edit: im not saying its OP which is quite a strong term in gaming balance thats thrown around a lot, but i do believe it is benefiting from 7.7 more so than comparitive spaa.

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PzH is fair and Balanced





Frankly, if we’re happy with this at 7.7 we should send the Vidar back down.

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then move a lot of other stuff back down to 7.3 as well causing extreme compression again.

lol dude, if you know how HE in the game fuctions, these artillery pieces are deathstars. Oneshot machines.

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arties are not that funny anymore if they lack the rangefinder ;)

It should go to 8.0, considering the VIDAR is at 8.0. Trading thermals for a faster reload is basically what the Pzh is, so it should be moved up.

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VIDAR has thermals, and that fire rate is not the major improvement you think it is.

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idk, i just got a 7 kill, 0 death match with the pzh2000 and the firerate is extremely important. It allowed me to get multiple targets before they notice me and take down enemies that haven’t been disabled or killed yet.

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Your skill in one match is not evidence of a vehicle being OP.

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The only issue is because German or China has such kind of SPG at 7.7, once France or British get a similar thing, they will move to 8.0 as quickly as possible XD, PZH2000 has become the best Heavy tanks killer in the game now, 5s reload time is faster than most of tanks at this BR

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fire rate is a major improvement

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1 second advantage is brought up alot at top tier when it comes to the type 10 with its 4 second, compared to 5 seconds on others.

If the PZH reloads in what is it 7.5 seconds? then its 5 seconds faster than the T29 at 7.0

same fire rate as an aced Tiger 2 SLA which is not shabby at all.

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Not only that, Japanese tanks are autoloaded meaning that 4s is constant no matter what, while most others (not including Leclercs) will have 1s longer reload in perfect conditions (full Aced crew, ready-rack available, loader alive).

The same thing applies to PZH, it’s reload is 5/7.5s constantly, while VIDAR can reload in 6s in best case scenario (ready-rack available + loader alive).
Having 5s reload at that tier is massive.

I think it’s just Alvis’ usual contrarian post at play.

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Reload Rates for Artys as of 2.43.0.26
Type 75 HSP:

  • 10 sec for 18 shells
  • 20 sec afterwards

PLZ05

  • 7.5 sec for every shell

PLZ83

  • 13.33 sec for 15 shells
  • 17.77 sec afterwards

M109:

  • 13.33 sec for 16 shells
  • 26.66 sec afterwards

Type 99:

  • 7.5 sec for every shell

Sholef:

  • 7.5 sec for 2 shells
  • 11.89 sec for the next 58 shells
  • 23.78 sec afterwards

PzH 2000:

  • 5 sec for 2 shells
  • 7.5 sec afterwards

K9 (VIDAR):

  • 6 sec for 2 shells
  • 9.89 sec afterwards

Bkan 1C

  • 3.2 sec for every shell
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