Pzh 2000 at 7.7?!?

You mean the cupola of that Centurion I just failed to destroy? That cupola? The one I shot from around 260m away?

Amazingly everything you said is still wrong, even the second time you say it.

Try it a third time and i shall tell you a little known secret.

Maybe you should actually play the thing a bit and then come back again, because you have a massive Skill issue and nothing else

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I’ve been killed by PzH 1 shot more than once in -T10M, -IS-6, -IS-4M, -IS-3, -IS-2, -T34, -T29, -T32, Maus, Tiger II H, -T26E5, and I’m not even going to include medium tanks because my point is clear already.

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You stated not a single fact

38 games on it with a 3.9K/D but ok mate

Again the only person crying is you. YOu already caused rivers to burst their banks in just 4 posts

I mean your posts do exist and they are leagues more pathetic

Yes. Because it takes a class with high skill requirements for high rewards and removes any and all skill requirements

Its like introducing a new class of vehicles into ground specifically designed to counter any and all ground targets with no way to be countered and kalling it Ka 52

Armour is great for what it is, survivability is still king in the game and there it is the king of kings. The ready rack literally refills in 4s and you can use your ammo box to have it permanently full as any player with half a brain would do

Again, just because you have a massive skill issue and do not understand basic gameplay features and mechanics does not mean everyone is as bad at the game as you are.

And again, even for someone like you, who has now in 4 post proven that he does not understand even 5% of this games features and mechanics, the resultzs it delivers are above your normal by a lot.

If a vehicle is so OP, that a player as bad as you obviously are, overperforms in it, there can be no argument that it is not the vehicle being too powerful

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Literally said that not once. Stop making stuff up

Yes you do not. You present your opinions and believes, not facts.

You do realise that we can check both ingame and via third party tools?


Note that Statshark does not count air frags in the last colloum

You are crying rivers because you can not comprehend facts that oppose your bias and believes

Again, when did i or anyone else mak such a ridiculous claim? You are the only one who made that claim in your 1st grader attempt at building an argument from thin air

Yes I do and you oneshot kill them every single time. If you die to an autocannon wielding vehicle you suck, because they need at least 6 pens to kill you while you need to hit once, some times you do not even need to hit directly.

Oneshot kill by simply hitting the turret face

soviet tanks, either shoot below the barrel or the cupolas for heavy tanks, mediums just shot the turret face and overpressure, ifvs, see above statement about autocannons

nope.

ever heard of third person shooting? Like you are making more and more of a buffoon of yourself

it does not.

it literally can not hit your ammo from the front, as the shell disipates after hitting more than two objects,m on the right there are 3 on the left 4 so only shrapnel can hit the ammo which has a less than 1% chance per piece to explode ammo that is not dark red

Yes I literally said as much in this threat already, its almost as if you have not bothered reading anything at all before posting your ill-informed opinions

APDS can not reach the back of your turret as stated above, the highest pen APDS at the BR is on the Conq and even that can not defy the code of the game which literally makes any non APFSDS round disappear from the game after interacting with more than 2 seperate modules including the armour of the tank. Again learn the games mechanics. Its far too easy to show that you have no idea what you are talking about because your claims are quite literally impossible to be true by the very nature of the games code.

Ok mate. You are a bad player, with absolutely zero game, mechanical, or argumentative knowledge. its like talking to a first grader and nothing else. All you can do is hurl insults at people while spouting your lies, falsehoods and showing the whole world that you have absolutely no idea of the topics you are talking about

I have been on the forum for a loing time and seen a lot of people who lacked knowledge and skill, but never before have I seen someone who not only ignores when people tell him that he is factually and mechanically wrong, no after being told 3 seperate times you still repeat the same stuff, showcasing not only that you have no idea what you are talking about, but are also utterly resistant to ever learning anything. On top of that you are insulting others.

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all mid cold war and modern SPHs should be significantly higher, its not just pzh2000. VIDAR, 2s19, Every last one should be a long way higher

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Vidar has thermals, I agree. 2S19 doesn’t even have LRF. And it’s slower than the PzH. I don’t think it’s necessary. PzH also doesn’t have thermals and it’s a step above the 2S19 because of the LRF. It should stay as it is.

Lets make sure to keep discussions on topic, and civil going forward.

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Thx man

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Why is it always the German players that have severe skill issue. It is well known that the PZH 2000 is the most OP vehicle at its BR. Ever fought one at 6.7? Probably not, since you have the mentality of someone who only plays Germany. Let me tell you. NOT. FUN. Even playing against it at 7.7 is dreadful, especially since it has a five second autoloader and laser rangefinder. What other tank has a functional rangefinder (an accurate one) and a five second autoloader. Oh yeah, absolutely nothing (besides maybe a French tank).

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Well you are pretty bang on with that one. The surbaisse does indeed have a 6sec reload for a 120mm with a functioning optical rangefinder. But the pzh still has a faster aquisiton time just due to being more stable (oscilating turrets only weakness) and the lrf being quicker and autosetting the range.

You can just see by the amount of removed comments here that the thread has devilved into insulting and the person who you are responding to has no grip on the reality of the situation and nothing you say will change their mind.

You should try expending that energy in a more productive manner than arguing with a brick wall

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if we did that this whole forum would be left to just german mains and the moderators

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Hey now, I make good points about how the 105mm M1 Abrams shouldn’t be limited to the 1980 round and fighting tanks from the mid 2000s with rounds from the mid 2010s. All I ever hear is “BuT tHe M1 iS mObIle” as if every tank at top tier isn’t XD

I guess it acutally will get up br… but only after the next sale end of oktober ;)

everyone knows its broken at 7.7… but as germany sucks REALLY bad at 7.7 the stats are… well shit … thats what they are. Only the Italian one shows how good it really is.

Germany doesnt really have a 7.7 lineup so it falls through the cracks, its the pzh, maus and a patton.

they also suffer from the turm 3 premium kids being in their endless uptiers.

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Granted if i clench my cheeks hard enough i can get an ace with the 4005 at top tier. HE blasters will kill at any BR. so anything above 8.7 is pointless for PzH2000. there it would be good step above the 2s19s (which are worse than it in about every way and need their own set of fixes) and it would fare better against the less armored vehicles while still being incredibly weak to return fire.

dont forget the marder. i also take the Sturmtiger because he he 144kg HE filler go bonk.

Yep. Germany really hops, skips and jumps between 6.7 and 8.0. Very reasonable given their history, and probably not fixable without resorting to project designs.

They will kill at any BR ONLY if the game mechanics decide they can. I lost track a long time ago the frequency of 155mm HE failing to kill a tank after smacking them in the face, or the side of the turret, or rear of the turret or hell, even under them.

HE was nerfed ages ago and was never fixed accordingly. Using HE slinging vehicles is a constant dice roll of whether you will either obliterate whatever you shoot at or fail miserably and die to return fire unless you destroyed their gun in the process.

I’ll also add that the higher it goes, the more vehicles it faces that have faster reactive times than it does. The PzH2K is not the fastest vehicle, nor the fastest turret turner after all. Not to mention it’s larger than many houses in the game. Does it belong at 7.7? Absolutely bloody not. That said, putting it any higher than 9.0BR off the rip would prove counterproductive, let alone 10.0BR or higher. We need to first put it around 8.3-8.7BR and see how it does.

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