Pz4H should be at 4.3 to 4.7

[Pangolin_Fan]

I have the tank spaded

[AllNationEnjoyer]

Oh damn guess we all must assume you’re right then since you spaded a rank 2

[Pangolin_Fan]

I certainly trust my own experience over a random noob Germany main complaining on the forums.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

Good thing wiggly is both better than you at the game and knows more about it then

[Pangolin_Fan]

I highly doubt that taken as he don’t know the first thing about playing squared german tanks.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

he describes how he does here:

@AllNationEnjoyer

The tank itself can only be angled at 12° before the sponson plates start to be less effective than the front plate. Once the tank is angled at 20°, the sponson plates become susceptible to most rank I vehicles. 30° and it becomes susceptible to all rank I vehicles that haven’t been removed. 40° and it’s on the brink of being able to penetrated by the Ha-Go.

@AllNationEnjoyer

You might be able to get away from 20° against newbies, but by 30° the side is a larger target than the front. 12° is the absolute best angle to maintain it, but that only increases the effective thickness of the upper frontal plate to a staggering 81-86 mm.

[Pangolin_Fan]

He just sits in place and lets enemies shoot him.

[Wiggly_Armed_Man]

Where is this fan fiction coming from lmao.

[Pangolin_Fan]

You’re the one writing it, you should know.

[Sternlos]

If japan had the same amount of players as germany did it would be the same story, only people that bother with nstions other than the big 3 tend to not be new players. Hardly any one picks up the game for the first time and immedietly plays japan or france etc

[PercussionCap]

@Pangolin_Fan

I have the tank spaded

Damn that’s crazy.

I have a free ace crew on it, earned over many games, and I can tell you that the side is very weak and cannot be angled without hard cover.

[Thodin]

I always wounder how you play the game at the end. Are you running around with an protractor and measure the optimal angle like 40 deg, 30 deg, 12 deg lol. And how do you know where the next enemy will appear and when? If you always use perfect angling, you somehow must have a method to know in advance towards what position you have to angle. Especially funny on all these small maze like maps where enemy vehicles might appear from any direction, all of the sudden.

But anyways, I’ll just spawn my KV-1B for a good killing spree, while you’re angling your way to the bottom of the kill list in a trash tank.

[AllNationEnjoyer]

Its just general estimation? anybody can do it?

most enemy movements are also predictable in wt…

@Thodin

But anyways, I’ll just spawn my KV-1B for a good killing spree, while you’re angling your way to the bottom of the kill list in a trash tank.

this is such a bad look for someone to say, to gloat about using a well known overpowered prem vehicle to beat… a perfectly good/strong medium tank? (pz4)

[Wiggly_Armed_Man]

I don’t play the game with a protractor. That’s why I’ve been saying that the Pz. IV can’t bloody angle, I only called out the specific angles to reinforce my reasoning as to why.

while you’re angling

bro ive been saying to not angle in this entire thread are you dumb?

[Thodin]

@AllNationEnjoyer

this is such a bad look for someone to say, to gloat about using a well known overpowered prem vehicle to beat… a perfectly good/strong medium tank? (pz4)

Panzer IV is slow, bad gun/turret handling, bad inertia/agility and overal very bad, flat armor. The APCR shell bouncess as soon as the slightest angle comes into play and does almost no damage. Finally all Panzer IV models (except the prems) are sub-rank III, which makes them a nogo for mission type gameplay and events (for me thats probably the biggest downside, not beeing rank III).

Except for the Panzergranate 39 shell and smoke launchers nothing is good. Everything is outright dreadful, compared to other tanks of its BR bracket.

[Loofah]

I love roflstomping IV H using 3.3 M4A1 which is better protected, more mobile, has a stabilizer, more TNT in APHE shell, better reload, gun depression, .50 cal on top, faster turret traverse.
Meanwhile IV H has 40mm more pen. Which is nice vs certain soviet and US tanks, but I can aim way faster with US 75mm and I one shot enemies way more reliably. Also IV H just casually dies to anything with over 50mm penetration at 100m, it’s especially painful vs soviet 25mm hammer of god (way superior to German 37mm vs aircraft).

[Thodin]

Thats an interesting point, the vulnerability of Panzuer IV models to AA vehicles and autocannon scout tanks is real.

[Loofah]

Yup and it gets penned frontally by Soviet 25mm, 37mm, every 40mm Bofors out there. And thanks to muzzle brake 20mm vehicles are also the bane of my existence. Sherman is 10 times more resilient to 20mm barrage and can fire back with.50 cal if things get hairy.
T-34 at 3.3 has way less pen, and turret is vulnerable too (way less, though as it’s small and angled) but ability to go through 30mm at 75 degrees thanks to slope modifiers clowning on APFSDS is… well, interesting.

[PercussionCap]

@Loofah

Sherman is 10 times more resilient to 20mm barrage and can fire back with.50 cal if things get hairy.

Not just to 20mm, if you’re using any sherman after the M4A1 you also get to enjoy being VERY resilient to KV-1Bs and Es frontally. Killing them through a turret weakspot becomes super easy when you can afford to get shot at, and have a stabilizer to help.

[mm10000]

KV-1S Got to 4.3 the Pz4 has a Long barreled which offers 5.0 damage and pen, it’s armor is pretty good for a medium so it should go to at least 4.3 but it derseves 4.7