4.0 rank 2 and foldered imo after the IV J would be best imo.
Even at that, Pz.IV H at 4.3 would still be very strong.
Move up nerfed is a complete nosense. This old Gaijin tradition with germans tanks need to be stoped.
If ausf. H is moved to 4.0 need the rank 3 change yes or yes.
Leave ausf. F2 in 3.3 rank 2, ausf. J in 3.7, update ausf. G to KwK L/48 like italian one to 4.0 and rank 3 foldered with ausf H. with the same same BR and rank.
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A rank 3, br 4.0 Pz4H would be awasome. The problem is that 4.0 T-34’s aren’t rank 3 either.
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Yes, M4A2 should be moved to rank 3.
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Yes, why not.
Good armor? Are you drunk or something?
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The amount of stupid nonsense you are talking is impressive.
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Pz VI is hot garbage. Irl it was a good tank, thx to alot factors which won’t matter ingame.
Since I got hands on the German KV-1 and the German Churchill III, I never used this tank anymore. Also consider rank II a waste of time. I’m doing battle pass tasks all day and surely won’t play rank II tanks. Add all this together and you probably know why just few new players play Pz IV.
It was different in the past. Maps were usually better and bigger. Cal50 were less nasty. A simple fighter with cal 50 default belt nowadays guns down Panzer IV teams. P47 with 3800 rounds and that was it, its enough to kill the whole team. Buffalo is also sufficient, though. Gajin won’t care.
Still remember as alot vets played Panzer IVG (was rank 3 back then) on open sniping maps. It was a fotm vehicle (I know, hard to believe). Panzer 4H was also liked by alot players. Today both are rank II and both fail on all these close quarter combat maps. And yes…suffer badly vs. air guns. While other teams require precise bomb drops, Panzer IV’s can be wiped out with air plane MGs.
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Like I said, they’re pretty good at their current BRs (especially in a full downtier), but yes, they struggle even in a slight uptier.
The armour is quite useless against most things – with the UFP being the most armoured part and only being worth ~85mm.
The gun is the only reasonably good thing about it (though the TNT equivalent isn’t that great).
I think they are mostly fine at where they are, though the 2.7-3.7 area is somewhat compressed.
There isn’t much a B1 Bis / Ter can do against them… but the Panzer IV easily kills them.
I think the Chi-Nu II should be moved down to 4.0… as it’s only a slightly better Panzer IV H (and somewhat worse in other aspects).
The japanese guns have uncapped shells which perform drastically worse against angles/slopes. It does do more damage than the German 7.5cm but its actually worse against armor in practice.
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I don’t find the Panzer IV worse than others in any drastic way. Its more mobile than Shermans. The armor works well enough, especially if you angle appropriately. The gun is of course amazing, the rotation speed of the turret is just fine.
How do you angle the Panzer IV???
The Tiger I is amazing. Short 88 is an amazing gun and when angled, basically unkillable until a 6.7 thing comes and bullies you. Don’t insult my Panzer VI
There’s no reliable way to angle it. The Panzer 4 has angled hull corners which become flat and extremely vulnerable if you angle the hull. Even if you angle it while using a building to hide the corner, you have to expose your 50mm turret to shoot at anything.
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Yeah, I’m not sure how he is angling his though.
What is this supposed to prove?
It just proves that if you’re playing it on the right map on the right spot you might score alot kills. But most maps just don’t suit Pz IV.
That the Panzer IV is a good and capable tank. As is usually the case, players have to construct a reason other than “skill issue” to explain why they do bad. Not helping the stereotype of german players being bad fellas!
I’d take the Sherman over the Panzer IV in most cases.
It’s good, but it isn’t that great
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