Just talking about the H version, the other panzers are right now at a good br tbh
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It used to be 4.3 a long time ago if I remember correctly
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Yep and it got moved because almost no one knew how to play it. I think that now that almost everyone know how to use a pz IV it is the moment to move it for 4.3 again
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Panzer IVs are still pretty garbage,and higher you go,worse they get with J and H being the ultimate garbage cause of handcranked turret so it takes 5 business days to turn your turret somewhere, and by the time you do that, you are dead cause you are massive slow box with no angled armor so you just get lolpenned by anything that you come across. If you angle hull, they will still kill you through the turret.
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Only J has hand turret
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when I started didn’t know full uptiers existed bc I played on the Pz IV, I just shot at the hull and the enemy was dead.
It doesn’t care at all.
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Nah, H is a beast wdym???
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4.3 yeah but 4.7 is gonna put at a bracket where its cannon is nothing special.
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the M4A2 is easily on par same with T34 STZ you trade armor for a good gun and you get worse reaction time then both as your turret even being powered is still slow AF
also its armor is the thinnest of both as only with addon track armor do you get 113mm of protection without it your basically paper but both the T34 STZ and the M4A2 can angle there armor and get way better performance due to having thicker more angled sides
btw the H model Panzer IV and the 3.3 one have same armor on the side
if you move the H up so should the STZ and M4A2
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5.0 sherman M4A1 full counters the panzer IV H
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Most tanks counter it, it has thin armour and a good gun with good mobility.
At 4.3 the H would be fine, it’s about on par with the KV-1S, trading armour for better pen.
Sooo thats why i said 4.3-4.7 xd
And I agree, but I just wanted to state that 4.7 would be a bit too high.
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yeah but everyone getting on the panzer IV H is insuffereable when the T34 STZ and M4A2 are just as OP
4.7 might be a bit to high but 4.3 100%. It far close to a Sherman Firefly then most people realize.
The long gun Panzer IVs really should be F2 at 3.7 and H at 4.3 with the rest inbetween.
ive seen people get nukes in the M51 does that mean it should be 8.3 ?
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I agree, no reason they shouldn’t go up as well.
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M4A2 and STZ should go up to as there basically heavy tanks they have better armor than the KV1 ZIS 5 at 4.7
Nice match. But I don’t really think it justifies it going to 4.7.
It has a good gun and pretty good mobility but it’s nothing really special.