This is moot, ZBG on the PUMA physically has three firing modes.
There’s literal pictures of present PUMA’s having all three firing modes on the panel.
This does not say, “The Bundeswehr’s PUMA does not have the optional firing mode”.
Every. Single. Source-Even from PSM supply images of the ZBG having all three selectable firing modes.
MK30-2/ABM PDF only further reinforces the Bundeswehr’s PUMA has burst firing capability.
Oh and there’s this too. Initial Boxer IFV’s were rated to have a full 600 rpm lance turret as well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171012070740mp_/http://artec-boxer.com/index.php?id=28
Eyo somebody hit up the Bundeswehr we need that puma buff
Found right gun. Puma and skyranger gun isn’t same
the PUMA and KF-41 guns are a simplified version of the sky ranger gun, and indeed only have a fire rate of 200 RPM. Only the sky ranger has a selectable RPM of 200-700. In short, yes, you are indeed wrong.
I believe there are other threads where this was discussed and proved wrong.
No it’s not, the skyranger cannon is a revolver cannon based on the Oerlikon KCA, entirely different design.
So there is merit to asking about the firerate, the MK30-2/ABM is indeed advertised as having an optional 600 RPM burst mode.
But there is no evidence the puma/kf can use that mode, short of actually sending an inquiry, all other avenues of suggestion were closed by devs.
Where’s that pic?
If there is indeed evidence that the optional burst fire mode is integrated that would be our best shot at getting it.
EDIT: There’s these 2 pictures of the interior of the puma, and altough the consoles are different models, i think that may be the fire control panel i squared in red.
There seem to be 4 options, safe (green/blue), single and auto (yellow) and burst (red).
BTW may just be making stuff up, you can’t make out much in terms of writing from these pictures.
its not the skyranger 30 gun uses a revolving autocannon
After looking at the old reports that were denied and the newest report by Lollipop i think the puma should indeed get the 600 RPM mode, the reason stated for not getting it in older reports is that “The gunner can’t change the fire-rate of the MK30-2-ABM” and “There’s no mention of the puma or kf41 receiving this mode” which is false, as we can see there’s physical controls for the fire rate of the cannon installed in the puma, yes maybe doctrinally they’re not supposed to use it for accuracy/whatever reason it but the option is there.
If this really doesn’t get accepted i ain’t ever touching the puma again.
Are you sure this is a picture of inside the puma? If so, post a link
PUMA and PUMA Old
The second link is apparently an older version of the puma, only difference i see is that the console is a different model but still retains all 3 fire modes.
I wonder, IF those would be an Puma… why is the smoke placed next to each other?
Like the one from the KNDS okay, but the other seems very wierd for an Puma
I know, did i mentioned the Skyranger? Don’t think so.
The second picture is from a puma as well, some people commented that it’s the old model.
And some old models had smokes like this.
Absolutely not!
The Boxer with the Lance turret and MK30-2/ABM is in no way an IFV because it transports no infantry squad but instead ammunition for it’s gun!
The Puma has just 200 rounds in the rc turret and another 200 inside the Puma. And that’s the reason why every german source talks about 200 rpm for the BW-Puma.
The new variant of the Boxer as IFV, the Boxer IFV-RCT30, has a completely different turret what may contain a greater amount of ammo and also more ammo in storage inside the vehicle, so it may have the faster rate of fire…
This whole thing you wrote is garbage, they’re all IFVs, where does it state that instead of crew they carry ammo.
The Burst Fire mode which we know the MK30-2/ABM has is present as an option on the command unit in the puma, it doesn’t get more clear-cut than this.
The RCT30 turret is the turret on the puma, it’s not some new turret.
What German-language source are you aware of, and is there one that refers to the Bundeswehr and its vehicles or even comes from there? Let me guess: not a single one?
This Boxer, which ItzLollipop refers to, is a heavy weapons platform for infantry (sWaTrInf) that only has a crew to drive the thing and operate the weapon. This is to support the newly created force of the so-called medium forces in combat, which is why it carries a lot of ammunition for the machine gun. It is based on the Australian variant Boxer CRV and is also to be manufactured in Australia.
These new medium forces in our country will consist mainly of the Jäger and the mountain infantry troops.
“In contrast to the Australian variant and the armored personnel carrier that is also planned, the SWATRIF is not intended to transport infantrymen, but to provide fire support with the machine cannon and the anti-tank weapon, while the fighting compartment is used to transport ammunition (in the future also loitering ammunition).”
The Bundeswehr’s previous GTK Boxers were all procured in the APC configuration; it was only a few months ago that an IFV variant was ordered for the medium forces, the Boxer RTC30 (that’s the Puma turret).
Again, the Boxer ItzLollipop is referring to has a different turret than our IFV or the Lithuanian IFV Vilkas…
Before you write something about garbage again, learn to read and understand what I have written!
@ItzLollipop @WereCat888 do you guys think we have enough information for a bug report to further back up our findings?
Yes, while the sWaTrInf (Australian CRV) is meant to replace the wiesel as fire support (so it may get extra ammo in the hull) that picture that you responded to initially isn’t the sWaTrInf, it was meant to refer to how the boxer supports 600 RPM with both a lance 1 and rtc turret as well, the lance 2 turret (on the CRV and Lynx) has a different ammo load(252 Ready Rounds), the reason Germany went with the lance turret is because unlike the RTC-30 of the Puma it can be reloaded internally so it’s more suited for “cavalry”.
I don’t see why you think they would feature different fire modes, or why only the one with the Lance 2 would get burst fire, as we can see the knob can select burst fire in a Puma.
Do we know the exact number of rpm because i have two sources on my original report that says 700 rpm.
