The PUMA’s ZBG definitely has three firing modes. KNDS explicitly states they can configure the ZBG to have an interface to meet the customers requirements.
PUMA’s ZBG has 3 modes on the dial to select from. The showcase for the PUMA, the MK30-2/ABM conveniently state 3 firing modes.
Like…What???
Is a secondary article source seriously what the moderators firmly believe on versus clear proof of the ZBG having three firing modes? Like even these articles cannot source the fire rate limitation, where is this coming from, I cannot even find anything on the net in German covering this limitation or when it happened and I’ve extensively went through the entire Rheinmetall’s/KMW’s/KNDS’s archives from 2003 to 2019 and there is zero mention.
Only words of limitation spoken by KNDS is of safety standards conforming to STANAG 4369 and AOP-22 which have zero relation to the maximum fire rate???
This is moot, ZBG on the PUMA physically has three firing modes.
There’s literal pictures of present PUMA’s having all three firing modes on the panel.
This does not say, “The Bundeswehr’s PUMA does not have the optional firing mode”.
Every. Single. Source-Even from PSM supply images of the ZBG having all three selectable firing modes.
MK30-2/ABM PDF only further reinforces the Bundeswehr’s PUMA has burst firing capability.
the PUMA and KF-41 guns are a simplified version of the sky ranger gun, and indeed only have a fire rate of 200 RPM. Only the sky ranger has a selectable RPM of 200-700. In short, yes, you are indeed wrong.
I believe there are other threads where this was discussed and proved wrong.
No it’s not, the skyranger cannon is a revolver cannon based on the Oerlikon KCA, entirely different design.
So there is merit to asking about the firerate, the MK30-2/ABM is indeed advertised as having an optional 600 RPM burst mode.
But there is no evidence the puma/kf can use that mode, short of actually sending an inquiry, all other avenues of suggestion were closed by devs.
Where’s that pic?
If there is indeed evidence that the optional burst fire mode is integrated that would be our best shot at getting it.
EDIT: There’s these 2 pictures of the interior of the puma, and altough the consoles are different models, i think that may be the fire control panel i squared in red.
There seem to be 4 options, safe (green/blue), single and auto (yellow) and burst (red).
BTW may just be making stuff up, you can’t make out much in terms of writing from these pictures.
After looking at the old reports that were denied and the newest report by Lollipop i think the puma should indeed get the 600 RPM mode, the reason stated for not getting it in older reports is that “The gunner can’t change the fire-rate of the MK30-2-ABM” and “There’s no mention of the puma or kf41 receiving this mode” which is false, as we can see there’s physical controls for the fire rate of the cannon installed in the puma, yes maybe doctrinally they’re not supposed to use it for accuracy/whatever reason it but the option is there.
PUMA and PUMA Old
The second link is apparently an older version of the puma, only difference i see is that the console is a different model but still retains all 3 fire modes.
The Boxer with the Lance turret and MK30-2/ABM is in no way an IFV because it transports no infantry squad but instead ammunition for it’s gun!
The Puma has just 200 rounds in the rc turret and another 200 inside the Puma. And that’s the reason why every german source talks about 200 rpm for the BW-Puma.
The new variant of the Boxer as IFV, the Boxer IFV-RCT30, has a completely different turret what may contain a greater amount of ammo and also more ammo in storage inside the vehicle, so it may have the faster rate of fire…
What German-language source are you aware of, and is there one that refers to the Bundeswehr and its vehicles or even comes from there? Let me guess: not a single one?
This Boxer, which ItzLollipop refers to, is a heavy weapons platform for infantry (sWaTrInf) that only has a crew to drive the thing and operate the weapon. This is to support the newly created force of the so-called medium forces in combat, which is why it carries a lot of ammunition for the machine gun. It is based on the Australian variant Boxer CRV and is also to be manufactured in Australia.
These new medium forces in our country will consist mainly of the Jäger and the mountain infantry troops.
“In contrast to the Australian variant and the armored personnel carrier that is also planned, the SWATRIF is not intended to transport infantrymen, but to provide fire support with the machine cannon and the anti-tank weapon, while the fighting compartment is used to transport ammunition (in the future also loitering ammunition).”
The Bundeswehr’s previous GTK Boxers were all procured in the APC configuration; it was only a few months ago that an IFV variant was ordered for the medium forces, the Boxer RTC30 (that’s the Puma turret).
Again, the Boxer ItzLollipop is referring to has a different turret than our IFV or the Lithuanian IFV Vilkas…
Before you write something about garbage again, learn to read and understand what I have written!
