so… which tech tree?
Will be going to Japan
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they do need more “armour” around top teir
We actually know what might be there. As part of the contract with Bumar Łabędy S.A., Malaysia had the choice of retaining the standard M1 armor with glass-reinforced textolite or opting for the already well-known CAWA-2 ceramic armor. Testing concluded around 1998 and was intended for use in the next modernization of the PT-91 PT-97 tank, but this never materialized. Returning to the topic of the new PT-91s, it was originally planned to replace the textolite in the hull without changing the turret armor due to the cost of such an operation. It’s also worth mentioning the rumors about using a new type of high-strength steel plate, 16mm thick (replacing the one currently installed). Unfortunately, we don’t know if Malaysia opted for this solution, as this information is classified. However, if the tanks for Malaysia are equipped with CAWA-2, these tanks will shine with excellent protection exceeding 550-570mm of RHA without the use of ERAWA-2 cubes above it! Which is quite impressive considering that in the book A.Wiśniewski stated that CAWA-2 should be used in par with ERAWA-2 in this configuration this tank would out perform T-72B hull armour by quite a bit and at the same time it would have access to the new FCS, a better engine and an impressive reverse gear which especially in warthunder matters a lot. All this information comes from colonel A.Wiśniewski book from 2002 Amunicja i pancerze he was in charge in making the Ceramic Armour Wiśniewski Adam (CAWA-1/2) and Explosive Reactive Armour Wiśniewski Adam (ERAWA-1/2).
Now to the plated autoloader carousel if you mind can you give us some source for that? I’ve been only familiar with something like this in T-90M. In case of autoloader of PT-91M the only change i have heard is the new soft which let ammunition carousel spin in both directions reducing the time in which autoloader would swap ammo types.
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The PT-91E and Ex are not just similiar, they are the two PT-91M prototypes.
As for the PT-91P, I think it might be a little worse than the PT-91M. From what I know it is basically just a PT-91A demonstrator with a new camoflage. Basically just a PT-91 with 1000hp engine
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Which BR would this be at? It seems like a good fit for 10.7 imo, if so then maybe if paired with potential Indonesian tanks, like Leopard 2A4+ and Harimau which also seems like a 10.7 fit it could make a solid lineup, specially since Japan lacks 10.7, plus the PT-91 itself is very interesting
its hard to decide to be honest the best answer for this question will be “it depends” If a tank will get the 3BM42 and ceramic armor in the frontal plate, it will have to be very high in BR, because what are you missing then? You have 24 km/h reverse speed, you’re going 70 km/h because you have a 1000 hp engine, third-generation thermal imaging, and a fast stabilizer. On the other hand, the snail might decide to use glass textolite and the 3BM15, so obviously it will be much lower then.
On this source it says something else
10.7~11.0 depending on how properly Gaijin implements it
How much has the armor of the PT-91M improved compared to the T-72M1? Can it be considered equivalent to the T-72B equipped with the K-1?
Its probably mistake reverse speed on ESM 350M is 23-24km/h someone just put wrong number
if upperfrontplate is equiped with cawa-2 ceramics it would surpass T-72B with K-1 protection without Erawa-2 even installed but turret is still from old T-72m1 so T-72B will be far better in this aspect
I see, so probably around 11.0 to 11.7 is optimal. If the APFSDS were a bit weaker, 10.7 might be acceptable, but since the M04 APFSDS seems to be based on the Israeli M711, I think it has at least the same penetration capability as the 3BM46.
One more thing I’m concerned about—has the stabilizer been replaced? Slow gun traverse is quite stressful.
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Yeah these changes used in malaysian PT compared to the Polish PT-91’s are mainly due to the fact that, back in the 1990s, Poland planned to maintain a fleet of tanks based on the T-72 chassis. It was logicall since Poland back then still had the abilitty to produce that tanks. The PT-91 was the first stage of modernization, and the next was to be the PT-97 tank, with modified armor, a new power pack, stabilization, a welded turret, etc. Unfortunately, as is often the case, it turned out that these solutions wouldn’t be affordable, especially in a country that had only recently rejected communism and was just starting to earn money. The program went even further down the drain when Poland received Leopard 2A4 tanks. Whole idea got scraped but new one born which was PT-91M/PT-91Ex which embraced some of the changes at lower cost.
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+1 for Polish vehicle, this one is going to the Japanese tech tree for sure after they got the Malaysian aircraft added in.
Actually probably 11.3. It gets a bosnian M04 APFSDS which has 540mm pen, and the armor wont be all too bad even with just the textolite. It is kind of comparable to the T-90A, but a little better and little worse in some ways.
It would essentialy be a T-72M1 with the electronics and speed of a T-90M2. If it gets the CAWA-2, then id still say it should be at 11.3.
Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.
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