Provide constructive feedback regarding the current performance of certain Soviet/Russian

[aihan1010]

Hi War Thunder Development Team and Community Managers,

I am writing to provide constructive feedback regarding the current performance of certain Soviet/Russian missiles in top-tier air battles, specifically the R-77, R-27ET, and R-27T.

Recently, it has become evident that these missiles are underperforming significantly compared to their real-world capabilities and their in-game counterparts from other nations. Here are the main concerns:

• R-77: The energy retention and drag model of the R-77 make it bleed speed far too quickly, limiting its effective range drastically compared to Western ARH missiles like the AIM-120. Additionally, its tracking logic against simple defensive maneuvers feels overly nerfed.
• R-27ET & R-27T: The flare resistance (IRCCM) and kinematic performance of these medium-range infrared missiles have dropped to a point where they easily bite into a single drop of countermeasures, completely ignoring their advanced seeker specifications.

Currently, these issues severely affect the competitive balance of Soviet/Russian top-tier aircraft. I kindly request the development team to review the aerodynamic drag data for the R-77’s grid fins and re-evaluate the seeker sensitivity for the R-27T/ET series to match historical accuracy and restore gameplay balance.

Thank you for your time and continuous effort to improve the game

[Necronomica]

When making claims like these you have to provide publicly available (and acceptable) sources to back up your claims and then make a historical report for it using those sources. If you have such sources you can report it here: Gaijin.net // Issues (just search a bit first so that you don’t report something that is already reported and known about)

A guide on how to report can be found here: ([Navigation] Technical Knowledge Base | War Thunder Wiki)

For sources they have some requirements:

Though they have already stated that reworks for some more missile outside of those already changed this major update are planned (R-27 among them):

The R-77, among many others, already received their update this major:

@Stona_WT

• AIM-7C, AIM-7D, AIM-7E, AIM-7E-2, AIM-7F, AIM-7M, Skyflash, Skyflash SuperTEMP, Aspide-1A, PL-11 AAMs — missile Flight Models and autopilot settings have been updated. Trim angle of attack, air resistance and engine thrust have been adjusted. Sources: Standard aircraft characteristics guided missile model AAM-N-6 sparrow III, Standard missile characteristics AIM-7F Sparrow III, Tornado F3 Tactics manual Central Tactics and Trials Organization, FLS: Luft-Luft Lenkwaffe AMRAAM Teil 2 1986-1994.
• Skyflash SuperTEMP — the guidance time has been increased from 50 s to 60 s. (Report , Report ).
• Skyflash SuperTEMP — the missile flight time before self-destruction after losing the target has been increased from 5 s to 7 s. (Report ).
• AIM-120A, AIM-120B, AIM-120C-5, AIM-120D AAMs — missile Flight Model has been updated. Masses, air resistance and engine thrust values have been corrected. Source: FLS: Luft-Luft Lenkwaffe AMRAAM Teil 2 1986-1994.
• AIM-120A, AIM-120B AAMs — explosive mass has been decreased from 7.67 kg to 6.67 kg. (Report ).
• AIM-120C (all variants), AIM-120D AAMs — explosive mass has been decreased from 8.62 kg to 7.17 kg. (Report ).
• AIM-120 (all variants), R-77, R-77-1, PL-12, PL-12A, AAM-4, MICA-EM AAMs — trim angles of attack have been significantly increased, available overload at low Mach numbers has been increased. The autopilot parameters have been adjusted and the frontal drag has been corrected. (Report , Report , Report , Report , Report , Report ).
• R-77, RVV-AE AAMs — missile mass has been decreased from 177 kg to 175 kg. (Report ).

[Venndigo7192]

@aihan1010

restore gameplay balance.

yeah by moving the prem SU-30s up to 14.0