He has a point, you know.
The main reason conventional guns struggle with the Tiger 2 is because players are subconsciously anxious at aiming for the front turret plate, which leads to worse aim, which loops back around to being anxious about the shot, in a never-ending positive feedback loop.
Essentially, the Tiger 2 Henschel is not mechanically invulnerable, it is simply mechanically strong while it’s reputation give the players using it a psychological edge.
Yes he has a point, a few guns can frontally pen it. But compared to things like the Is-2 for an example, the Tiger II is vastly better.
Looking at it stat wise, it preforms as good if not better than a T29.
When he doesn’t have a point is when he needlessly attempts to insult me because he wants to derail a useful thread because it has clearly made him made for no reason
That is the logical fallacy he was pointing out.
You are comparing the IS-2 to the Tiger 2, which are both heavy tanks, but both fall into vastly different archetypes.
Like comparing the M4A3E2 to the Tiger 1, or the IS-2 to the M4A3E2, it is simply an unfair and already-unbalanced comparison.
Regardless, the IS-2 and Tiger 2 Henschel are not the same battle rating, so it is safe to assume the former will be worse than the latter. :)
If you think I was talking about the base IS-2 and not the 1944, that’s a tad bit naive.
Except the jumbo and the tiger 1 are pretty equal, in fact the jumbo often times is actually better than the tiger 1(H)<- added this H for you since we have to be specific.
IS-2 regardless of model has the same 3 weak spots you shoot for. Commanders hatch, lower plate, or face of the turret, and everything in its br range easily out loads it.
Tiger II just like the T26e5 vastly over preform at their brs. The latter being an even more egregious example.
Ah yes, the IS-2 which has to be extremely thought out and careful thanks to its 21 sec ace reload, meanwhile the Tiger II can just run forward.
I was in fact talking about 1944 IS-2 at 6.7, it is there simply because it is in fact a better version than the normal 6.0 version, not because it can do the same things a Tiger 2 can. :)
As I have said, the reputation of the Tiger 2 is what causes it to be strong, not necessarily its mechanical prowess. Perhaps you seem to be forgetting that the IS-2 is faster at straight lines? :D
The T26E5 on the other hand suffers from the usual US vehicle weakness, unusually weak side hull that punishes the player if angled too much.
Your main issue here is expecting an IS-2 to play the same as a Tiger 2 and vice versa, when we both know they are not the same vehicle.
Also, Tiger 2 H refers to Henschel pattern turret, the flatter version that you seem to despise. :)
You must’ve not played any of these vehicles.
In order of “effectiveness”:
Tiger II > T26E5 > IS-2 1944
is-2 is only good in the fact it has decent mobility, and a good cannon, but for that cannon it has the worst reload for pretty much every br in the game.
Tiger II is a jack of all trades with great pen, a good reload, and is plenty of HE filler.
The T26E5 is the most lacking out of these in the gun department, but has good mobility, the god tier .50 cal, and and the armor to bounce 128mm German cannons frontally. (Which are some of the more powerful guns in the game).
It is easily the most armored tank of the three.
Even with this “lacking cannon” you will out load most enemies, and punch a hole in them, or break their barrel, tracks, etc.
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Only in the red zone (if you’re shooting it, you’re … worm), of course. Most of the fights in game are under 600 meters.
T26E1-1 is more a concert than T26E5 in the same battlerating, beside of its long reload.
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for such a veteran player, you left “consider camera vertical angle” on nice trying to play it to your advantage :)
Funnily enough you use the T26e1-1 a worse tank than the T26E5 & Tiger II as comparison? Wow!
For someone who has as many games as you do, you must’ve had a bit playing them because you lack a large amount of knowledge for the game.
Use the HESH
The M18 used to be 5.3 and overpowered as hell.
For a moment, it was 4.7 has aTank destroyer (should be back, it’s not a scout)
The position of the ‘base’ isn’t the reality of the shot. Consider the ‘maus’ is more higher and not correctly facing. Just take correctly the shot.
‘has a veteran’
I don’t think i’ve given my 2 cents here, so I will.
I also don’t play below 5.7, so I won’t speak there.
The agreeable ones in this list are:
T26E5 to 7.0
M551 (76) to 7.3
VK 3002 to 5.3
Panther D to 5.7
Tiger II H variants to 7.0
PzH to 8.0
Gepard to 8.7
Turm III to 8.7
T-44 (FM) to 6.0
T-72B to 10.0
ZA-35 to 9.0
Ho-Ri Prod to 7.7
Object 122 to 9.0
KF41 to 10.7
AUBL HVG Buffs
90mm AMX-50 to 7.7
Somua SM to 8.0
TOW/Billboxes being downtiered
ItPsV can be 9.0
A lot of the other ones are just terrible BR changes, others can just be solved by BR decompression instead of making them OP/Useless.
Your grammar isn’t very good.
Also at a range of 500 meters there is drop.
lol flagged as “inappropriate” what a very good use of that flagging system.
we’re not just ‘english’ here.
And whatever.
Isn’t this the English forum? Oh my apologies I must be on the French one.
Please do return when you have a credible bit of evidence :)
It’s actually hilarious you think the T26E5 < T26E1-1
It’s the international here. you’re just a salted player there and yes I personnaly prefer the super pershing than the T26E5.
@forum mods, we’ve some judgment about origins here, now I can flag you
Used to be OP? Yes.
OP at 5.3? No.
Average, it’s because german players are/were the issue. In good hands, M18 is dangerous.
It’s the same about others vehicules nerfed in battlerating
Skz 234/2, 234/4, AEC mk.II, Churchill Mk.I, Centurion Mk.2, Kv 220, etc.
As also mentioned, there have been changes made over the years.
M18 which was 4.7,
Kv-2 which was 5.0, now 3.7
Isu-152 which was 6.0 (4.3 and one of the meta in SRE today with its good ability to resist the bombs and the 12.7 ant-aircraft), etc.
Judgements about origins? That doesn’t even make sense lol. I’d love to watch a mod’s response to you.
The T26E5 is objectively and subjectively better than the T26E1-1 in all but gun.
You may prefer it all you like, but it isn’t better.
