Oh yeah, that vehicle is quite good too, entirely forgot about it.
What makes that good though is preying on quite literally new players. T58 is a bit of a different story, but I can add that to the list
Nor composites which are starting to become common place, as well as spaced armour which essentially negates most chemical rounds.
Things like fences that trigger HESH.HEAT
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I’m painfully aware 😭stock grinding rank 7 has been a headache for years now.
However, he’s flat out ignoring more advanced armour systems that exist in the game, even just at 9.3 most tanks either have ERA systems which combat the ammunition the T58 has, or composites which will. Possibly both.
Thats not including mobility, lrf. Stab, thermals, any form of solid ap or dart.
Etc etc
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It doesn’t need AP, APDS, or APFSDS. It never had it, and it quite effective with its HEAT, often over pressuring, killing, or severely disabling a tank.
Again, there are 9.0 tanks without thermals, nor did this one have any.
- it has a range finder, it doesn’t need to be a laser rangefinder, so not a con. A lot of tanks 8.3, 8.7, and some at 9.0 don’t have any sort of range finder.
- turret armor is still rather good at 9.0
Only way it could stay 8.7, would be with a reload nerf, which I don’t agree with, and others don’t agree with because it would historically inaccurate.
It’s called a matter of opinion, I also forgot to add the oscillated turret, which can act often like a semi stable platform.
You’re still on the tangent you brought up yourself? I personally don’t care what I type, and if it’s grammatically correct, but you brought up being a professor after I had asked for clarification on what you were saying instead of assuming.
Good thing it has a .30 cal and .50 cal machine guns.
And a 2.6 sec reload
Not to mention that T58 “good armor” ends when a player with a brain enters, or just a vehicle with HEAT, ATGM, APDS or APFSDS.
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HEAT and APFSDS are truly its biggest weaknesses like any tank.
Oh yes, because when someone with full stab sees You at the same time as You see him, You have that time to use Your MG or wait another 2.6s!
So ammo that appears +8.0 B.R. range?
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Tbf I think a lot of those “early” ERA vehicle like the M60 Rise and Ztz are under br’d slightly as well.
I don’t put myself in that position, I use strategy.
Super early APFSDS has its problems more then say 9.0 APFSDS, but regardless that turret collar will eat it.
Depending on the HEAT rounds it will pen or won’t, but usually it’s so small a caliber it doesn’t do much damage. Or only takes 1 crew member or 2.
I’ve also seen heat bounce purely due to the angle.
lmao.
No oscillating turret in game acts as a stabilising platform.
Where did you pull that from…
You also completely left out the list of cons which make it worse, when you know they are there.
Thus being disingenuous.
Most 9.0s
Have stab, thermals or LRF or both.
Composites.
Better mobility.
More effective rounds which are definitely better.
Needed or not it is in fact a negative aka a con the tank has.
You insulted me, now you’ve back peddled on it all and are making it out as if I am going on about nothing.
No you wrongly used the word naive.
Then claimed what I stated was wrong when I correctly informed you it was an insult and used my professional capacity as a teacher as a way to refer to myself as a credible source.
You then multiple times insulted my teaching capabilties multiple times all whilst making plenty of grammatical errors in the same insults.
Finally you boasted about your English scores, without reference to what exams you sat, where or how you sat them.
Within these boasts made grammatical errors.
So no it’s not a tangent.
Lmao?
Lmao
Yep.
If a vehicle doesn’t move from spawn, then no one needs stabilization!
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Turret armour is effectively useless you can fire through the front of the turret with apds found at 8.0 on the L7.
Just the turret ring is heavily gaurded against early apds.
Im done here.
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Funny enough how the luchs is still on this br suggestion list. One of the worst vehicles at the br and much worse than the wiesel. Tiger 2s got nerfed and should not move up aswell
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Oscillated turrets are quite stable, there’s definitely a difference between French vs traditional turrets on the move. Maybe I’m crazy, maybe I’m really good at hitting shots on the move. Bottom line is the camera definitely shakes less though.
They are not when compared to full stabilization.
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