This topic is just move up all nations and move down to idiotic low BRs russian tanks.Is a nonsense.
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Just ignore him, i have both tanks and the Obj. 279 is leagues above the T58 when comparing their effective armor values and turret post-pen survivability. He also loves to talk about his K/D (which is also going down lol) with the T58… still, in my opinion, the tank is too strong for 8.3.
They should just fix the hull and turret armor, which are underperforming, and increase it’s BR to 8.7. If the tank remains broken, increase the BR to 9.0 and give it it’s shock absorber system (I assume it’s similar to the ones used on the AMX 50 series, which are currently missing in-game), kinda like a vertical stab that works up to ~10-15km/h.
Edit: the HEAT round is also underperforming.
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I never insinuated you said it was un killable.
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Where are you from again? Your English is very improper, compared to what I’ve been taught. Also, please say what you like, it doesn’t render what I’ve factually told you to be untrue.
Also, again, for the last time, since you either have poor memory or cannot read what I’ve written:
Edit: your a professor at the university level… uh huh… sure… i definitely believe that.
T-58:
Pros:
2.6 load time
406mm collar, with good all around armor
40° a sec turret traverse
Great ammo choices
Great survivability
Rangefinder
AA HMG
-8 gun depression
Cons:
22 mph max speed.
Poor reverse of -3 mph.
Wow.
So bad
Edit: the more people that disagree, the more I am correct it needs a nerf, because people like to abuse OP tanks
Alright I will clip and post the next time I get hit with 5+ penetrating hits and living.
If you see it that way, then you’re biased, or cannot read.
In fact, I gave Italy the best benefits, and Germany the worst.
Lmao, let’s check your stats then, if you can’t out preform the obj.279, in your T58, then you have a skill issue.
Obj.279 isn’t leagues better in anything other than mobility.
Yes my kd has gone down very slightly, again, I’m at a buddies house in a different country in a setup I am in no way familiar with. If you’d like me to wait until I return, I assure you I’ll get it above 4.0 in no time :)
Nor is the HEAT round under preforming.
That PC superiority complex is showing once again.
Massive skill issue, trying to justify your poor performance… lmao.
LOL…
[T58’s T267 HEAT shells are too light // Gaijin.net // Issues]
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Try again.
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Toxic behavior, as per usual with PC users. If I messed with all your settings, your control setup, tv or monitor you’d preform the same?
No, you’re not that going to preform the same, sorry.
Secondly, you just said lol with no facts, or evidence. Ironic, therefore you are proving me correct once more.
Lastly,
“Due to a lack of documentation regarding the type of explosive contained in the T267 HEAT round, the only tentative options for the in-game T267 HEAT round are Composition B or Octol, which were used by the US Army at the time.“
Literally from that post, which dictates nobody has a lot of info regarding the T58s shells.
Also, the shell velocity was initially incorrect for T267, being 900 m/s which they just fixed. The shell regularly over pressures enemies with no problem.
And, to finish off, the shell weight is too light right now, meaning the drop isn’t correct.
Ending up being a very unfinished vehicle, which with its initially busted armor, and still good armor culminates to it being exactly what I’ve said. OP. Given if this is correct, which I doubt it, given the info wasn’t submitted (from what I can see on the mobile browser). Therefore I cannot agree it should be of higher HE mass in the HEAT round.
(Community Bug Reporting System)
So please, try again ;)
- lack of stab
- lack of smoke
- only 4 crew members
- can die eaisly
- HEAT/HESH damage model being wonky
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Don’t forget about the poor hull armour and poor resistance to APFSDS or HEAT rounds.
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What you’ve been taught ? Yet cannot discern the correlation of a specification between two words, we and plural, when refering to a group of people that have given multiple cons with this vehicle as to why it cannot move to 9.0.
Improper English in what context other than one typo / the odd typo.
Your misunderstanding literacy, isn’t an issue with my English.
What you have written is not factually correct either.
Both wrong it is missing essentially AP rounds like apds, APBC, APFSDS.
As well as it has incorrect values on its HEAT as is.
It’s an M103 hull, survivability isn’t great at all, plus it’s only protected on the turret ring.
You’re deliberately leaving out key cons to make it seem better.
This is extremely disingenious of you mate, you realise the reason many are saying it can move to 8.7 but not 9.0 is because they know it is quite good.
It just is not a damn 9.0 tank.
No LRF, thermals, stab, APDS / APFSDS, bad survivability, no composites.
Are just a few of the issues it’ll have.
You’ve barely a reading comprehension of a B2+ student, I couldn’t careless what you believe.
It is also "You’re a proffessor at university level.
Not at the university level as you stated, unless you change the written form to ,
He teaches at the level of a university professor.
Aka no composites, thermals, LRF, stab, access to any form of discarding sabot , poor mobility, poor survivability etc etc
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“Toxic behavior”
I said “lol” because you’re delusional, since most of your “evidence” doesn’t match the in-game figures and stats.
More bs from you.
- Turret armor… Obj. 279’s turret side armor is thicker than the T58’s turret front armor.
- Better elevation drive… wtf? Not only is the T58’s elevation rate slower, but the elevation drive module itself is extremely large and easy to disable.
- A better round… Highest pen APCBC round in the game with very good velocity > HEAT/HESH.
You can take fewer rounds when playing the Obj. 279 to remove all the ammo from the hull front, whereas the T58’s hull is literally filled with ammo unless you take 7 rounds. 13 APHE > 7 HEAT/HESH.
The T58 also has extremely poor hull front armor, it has less hull front armor than the early M60. The Obj. 279’s frontal hull armor is almost immune to 90mm HEAT, while the T58’s upper frontal glacis is vulnerable to 76mm HEAT and 84mm APDS rounds.
I don’t think the tank is balanced, but you’re focusing on the wrong aspect. The problem is the extremely fast reload, the rest is mediocre or bad for it’s BR.
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They’re still easy to kill frontally and just as easy side on. Its all about knowing weakspots, the Tigers and Panthers have similar weak spots and I don’t see you calling for them to be 7.0 or 7.3.
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Bad metric. I don’t own the T58 and I often bring tanks into 2-3+ br uptiers (Type 60 SPRG, Type 89, RCV (P), Type 16, etc.) What OP tank am I abusing exactly?
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They are now at the stage of attacking anyone who disagrees with them.
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Don’t worry, you’ve now joined the huge list of people telling him these things.
Including players like ULQ who’s extemely well versed in the game, as well as yourself.
He is adamant the T58 is on par with the likes of ZTZ88B, T69GII, M60E3 TTS , TYPE 74 etc wtc.
It should be 8.7 the reload.makes it an issue for the more lower end of 7.3, but 9.0 is ridiculous
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btw in the last comparison you’re using two different shells^^
You’ve done nothing but insult @An_Pigeon though?
Like it has to honestly be ragebait, this is crazy.
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“Only 4 crew”
Most tanks at those brs have 4 or less crew.
“Lack of a stab”
Do you need a stab? It’s not equipped irl with one, so that’s irrelevant.
“Lack of smoke”
Does it need it? No. Standards of other vehicles aren’t going to apply to every vehicle.
“HEAT/HESH”
Completely fine as it, might get an odd bounce or low damage shot once in awhile, but over pressuring and 400mm pen is quite nice, and is quite the worthy trade off.
Also, it doesn’t die easily at all lol, you guys must be making pretty big mistakes for that to occur.
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The classic “no no I’m right” mentality doesn’t work on me, even if you repeat it 1000x times. But it’s okay, your merely a liar as you don’t accept the pros of the vehicle, and live in fairy land where things MUST have a stab to be a 8.7 or 9.0
If I apply this mentality you have, then the Italian BTR-80 should clearly be 5.3 right? No stab, no armor, 0 survivability, xyz, it’s only pro is an auto cannon.
See how your argument makes no sense? Oh wait you don’t, you just don’t want your invested money to burn up.
I have left out nothing, it had none of what you ask for. Therefore WHY would it need / get it?
All I’ve seen is people complain because it’s the right thing to do. Because they don’t want the money they’ve spent to be wasted, because you like others like easy free kills on the enemy team.
Nice typos prof. Yeah, what a liar. The next Pangolin is here… sheesh, just drop the act. It’s funny you corrected the common your vs you’re, but misspelled Professor, and referring.