Proposed ground RB battle rating changes

[AllNationEnjoyer]

Nah it’s very much overpowered.

[БЕИ]

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Only thing that doesn’t make any sense is T-54 and TO-55 are in the same br, one of them clearly better everywhere, the T-55 is fully stabilized, has better zoom, faster turret turning rate and similar ammunition choices, also at 8.0 the Chinese T-54s are basically an upgraded version of RU T-54 with stabilizers and better zoom, they are clearly not equal. Just blame the compression

[AllNationEnjoyer]

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Stabilized T-55 versus non Stabilized T-54, gee i can’t tell which is better!

[Jagd27]

@BSpiel8

The “also a French vehicle” wasn’t an additional point jspene was trying to make, he was saying that the CLOVIS is a vehicle not just of German, but French design as well.

@jspene

Bro, it is

Oh i see. Sorry i thought the DF-105 was the only duplicated vehicle in this patch but finally Gaijin added this one too for both nations.
BTW is not a bit soon for suggest changes in this one? we are talking about a vehicles added 48 hours ago.

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Full stabilizer in 8.0 when regular T-54s or another 8.0 dont get acces to stbz.

@UniqueScorpions

T-10A has a low speed stabalizer, and nothing but APHE, with the worst reload at that br by far.

Same, acces to stabilizer when the other 7.7 only can dream with that,

@UniqueScorpions

Obj.140 is like a weird side grade to the T-55A, although I have no experience in it, fighting it hasn’t been too troublesome. Nor do I commonly see this tank.

Just compare his stats vs “OP” Turm III.

[Jagd27]

@Ion_Protogen

No? Premiums shouldn’t be any better than TT stuff.

Sadly Gaijin dont think the same.

[БЕИ]

@Panzerknacker_31

Same, acces to stabilizer when the other 7.7 only can dream with that,

The single plane stab from T-10A definitely helps with how fast the gun settles down when the vehicle comes to a complete stop. The Brits have two fully stabilized heavy tanks at 7.7 though.

[Jagd27]

@БЕИ

The Brits have two fully stabilized heavy tanks at 7.7 though.

Im talking about the others heavies at 7.7, sorry.

[UniqueScorpions]

@БЕИ

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Only thing that doesn’t make any sense is T-54 and TO-55 are in the same br, one of them clearly better everywhere, the T-55 is fully stabilized, has better zoom, faster turret turning rate and similar ammunition choices, also at 8.0 the Chinese T-54s are basically an upgraded version of RU T-54 with stabilizers and better zoom, they are clearly not equal. Just blame the compression

@AllNationEnjoyer

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Stabilized T-55 versus non Stabilized T-54, gee i can’t tell which is better!

@Panzerknacker_31

@UniqueScorpions

TO-55 loses a coax, for a gimmick, it also has no dart, or APDS if i remember. Hence the slightly lower br.

Full stabilizer in 8.0 when regular T-54s or another 8.0 dont get acces to stbz.

I agree with БЕИ, but at the same rate, the T-54 is definitely over br’d they are terrible to play.

@Panzerknacker_31

@UniqueScorpions

T-10A has a low speed stabalizer, and nothing but APHE, with the worst reload at that br by far.

Same, acces to stabilizer when the other 7.7 only can dream with that,

Uh, no very wrong. The Conquerer Mk.2 has a full speed stabilizer and a APDS round that is monstrously good.

You do know the difference between low speed and full speed stabs right?
The T-10A only works up to about 13 MPH. After that, it becomes a slightly worse IS-3.

@Panzerknacker_31

@UniqueScorpions

Obj.140 is like a weird side grade to the T-55A, although I have no experience in it, fighting it hasn’t been too troublesome. Nor do I commonly see this tank.

Just compare his stats vs “OP” Turm III.

How would you compare stats to a vehicle I don’t own…?
Also, what is this site you’re using? As literally all of them are untrusted by the community.

[UniqueScorpions]

Conquerer. Mk.2?

[Jagd27]

@UniqueScorpions

The Conquerer Mk.2 has a full speed stabilizer and a APDS round that is monstrously good.

Conqueror APDS good??? since when?

@UniqueScorpions

You do know the difference between low speed and full speed stabs right?
The T-10A only works up to about 13 MPH. After that, it becomes a slightly worse IS-3.

I perfectly know how stbz works. If yous top you obtain a very precious time for get the first and critical shot.
T-10 is better than Is-3 in reload, turret rotation and stbz. should be 8.0.

@UniqueScorpions

Also, what is this site you’re using? As literally all of them are untrusted by the community.

Stats from thousand of players are more reliable than one biased guy opinion.

[БЕИ]

@Panzerknacker_31

I perfectly know how stbz works. If yous top you obtain a very precious time for get the first and critical shot.
T-10 is better than Is-3 in reload, turret rotation and stbz. should be 8.0.

All the heavies at 7.7 sucks to play, all of them are suffering lol rarely had a great time with them, Conquerer might be the most uptier proof compare to the rest of them just downright helpless against 8.3s, this is a br that suffered the most due to compression, they suck so bad that even making Maus feels like it’s #1 heavy tank for 7.7 lol if anything they are not going anywhere

[Nowel]

@Panzerknacker_31

Stats from thousand of players are more reliable than one biased guy opinion.

well youre using the object with barely 600 battles in one month, thats like a 50-60 different accounts(probably much less than that) if they played just 10-12 rounds each, so yeah that data an be easily influenced by specific players using them, just because it uses stats from thousands of people, it doesnt mean that they can offer valuable stats for all vehicles, specially for the less popular ones.

[aDSD]

@UniqueScorpions

All T-80U, UM2, UE, UK, UD, BVM (T80U or newer) reload corrected to 6.0 seconds. (Historically accurate, cyclogram data literally even says 6.0 seconds.)

It’s all MZ’s that have 6 seconds realistically.

@UniqueScorpions

T-54 (1947) 7.7 > 7.3 (absolutely terrible vehicle, other than armor, gun handling sucks, shell is okay, turret traverse is like a panther D. The cons make fighting vehicles with HEAT-FS a living hell, as your armor was made to stop AP, APHE, etc).

T-54 (1949) 8.0 > 7.7 (same as above)

T-64A (1971) 9.3 > 9.0 (has worse gun elevation degrees a second vs br 1.0 tanks, has armor that may stop early HEAT-FS, but will not stop APFSDS nearly at all. its pros are: good turret armor, pretty decent gun, and low profile. Cons: slow, slow reload, bad bull armor, easy to 1 hit kill.)

I disagree, T-64A would be strong af, it’s like VCC80/60 vs unstabilised Leopard 1’s again, except now it would be unstabilised Leopard 1 against T-64A. Even against it’s correct time period enemy, T-62/64A its not ready.

[aDSD]

@UniqueScorpions

Begleitpanzer 57 9.3 > 10.0 (pretty much a IRST lock-less 2s38, being faster and better armored at a whole br lower. This can often reduce all enemy CAS like it didn’t exist, especially helicopters, which makes it surprisingly under br’d still. The TOW is usable for long range hits, or as a back up weapon

Maybe if it gets APFSDS

@UniqueScorpions

KV-1(Zis-5) 4.7 > 4.3 (the Sweden one is 4.7 with a

both should go down

@UniqueScorpions

Object 122MT 8.7 > 9.0 (a far better T-62, boasting better armor, with enhanced mobility, and the ability to fire 4 ATGMs rapidly along side its main gun

Just no, T-62 itself is quite lacking even to T-55A

I dont agree with others more but it’s not like this is planned BR changes for me to cover all.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

thats like a 50-60 different accounts

Still more than one guy.

[Nowel]

still one guy can be well over 10% of your sample size, just because numbers are bigger doesnt mean that it is better.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

just because numbers are bigger doesnt mean that it is better.

No. more numbers means more data is very simple.

[Nowel]

No… a low low sample means unreliable data, which is what you have as a claim, specially if there is sort of skill in hand, if you just look at things like kd or win rate while not taking into account others things like if you actually have a decent sample you would get that the ariete amv is one of the best tanks at top tier, which is far from true, being actually one of the worst.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

a low low sample means unreliable data

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Source 1 - Thunderskill with few hundreds or thousands battles registred.
Source 2- 2 russian mains.

First one is not reliable the second is the accurate !!

[Nowel]

@Panzerknacker_31

Source 1 - Thunderskill with few hundreds or thousands battles registred.

Buddy just because they track thousands of batles doesnt mean that they have reliable data for all the vehicles… 600 battles is a short samples by all measures as single players can play docens or even more than a houndred games in one month. because again if you take all data of thunder skill as an absulute you will get things like this: