T32 has much better armor than T26E5, have You even played it?
That goes for both versions of the 2p and the M26, even though i love the M26
Does the T32 have the neck weakspot like the T26E5? I honestly cant think of the last time i died to anything other than HEATFS frontally in the T32
You clearly misunderstood
The HSTV-L is 11.7, not 11.0.
It kinda does? A far more reliable shot would be the driver hatch… but even that is tricky
I think they’re both fine at their respective brs tbh.
the 2s38 ragging on 9.3s is not okay.
If it lost the APFSDS and functioned as an SPAA with APHE , or at least limited APFSDS then sure.
as IRL its not even touted as a ground attack vehicle rather an SPAAG.
That can support ground if needed.
in game it has over 148 rounds, no magazine or 1st stage reload.
IRST
Good SPAA capabilities as well as fantastic anti tank capabilities.
It is still regularly seen in 12.0 matches due to how effective its weapon systems are.
It could easily be 10.7, not 11.0 for example.
The HSTVL now with the reload buff is the best light at top tier.
however that doesnt suddenly excuse the 2S38 of being under BR’d.
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So explain
I could see the 2s38 being 10.7, but you’d have to convince me better honestly.
I don’t think the pros outweigh the cons. Not to mention the fact, the 2s38 only could fire what, 10 or 12 rounds at first when it came into the game? Then you had to wait well over a minute to reload.
Thats when it was justifiable at the BR it has.
Now it can fire over 40 rounds without stop before over heating (at least int test drive)
It has a great anti air round.
Has fantastic tracking out to about what 4 / 5KM ?
its fast and has amazing turret and gun traverse ( due to it being an SPAA by nature)
can carry 120 darts and the other 28 as proxy rounds.
has no magazine.
has more flat pen than any other light bar the HSTVL (naturally)
its only flaw is its large. . its not that loud and its quite an empty tank. (not as much as it used to be but still)
it has a nice selection of ammunitions as well, APHE, APFSDS, HE and proxy rounds.
10.7 is a perfect BR for it.
The 2s38s biggest advantage is the sheer volume of firepower it can throw out at any given time.
no 9.3 MBT or light can reliably stand against it unless they get lucky. hell most 9.7s struggle in comparisson
It’s fast in comparison to Challengers lol.
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everything is fast in comparison to challangers.
it averages about 65 to 70kmph when im cruising at that in my MBTs next to em, so its not exactly slow.
It isnt radkampf 100kmph fast right enough
forgot to mention other things so ima edit the comment.
Okay, I can see it being at 10.7, but not really any higher.
Due to:
Lack of speed
Lack of gun depression
Lack of survivability
Unless you hit the rear open spot, pretty much any area kills it now
(Also it would be nice to be able to remove the stupid floats)
Due to it having more pen than others is purely due to gun size.
Also, In pure fairness, would you say it’s fair, if I move the 2s38 to 10.7 on my list, that the Beglit gets moved to 10.0? It has an even faster fire rate than the 2s38, and is equally a menace, while being faster than pretty much anything it sees.
I didnt say any higher 10.7 is fine for it
the bagliet could go to 9.7 as its 9.3 now. its more comparable to BMP3 than 2s38
just because you say its a menace doesnt mean statistically it is.
It has no decent round, the APCB isnt reliable, the missile is about its only reliable attack.
Its AA capabilities are decent with the HEVT shell, however no IRST tracking like the 2S38
the bagliets bmps etc should all be a little bit, like the type 89 as well IMO.
but thats up for debate. the bagliets at 10.0 would be useless in an 11.0 game, howevef the 2s38 is still competitive at top tier.
Im not gonna lie, for sustained fire and fire rate ill take the Bagleit since its missiles and gun are nice id say its honestly equal to my type 89, id say the RCV and the CV9030 are both the worst vehicles at 9.3 amd 9.0 with the BMP’s and Begleit having no excuse to be the same BR as them.
Im a bit biased since i like the Begleit a lot but the type 89 imo gun pen makes it almost as good as the Begleit but ill still take the Begleit over the type 89. Type 89 turret rotation is horrible.
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The type 89 too suffers with the reload.
I do like the bagliet but im better with the type 89.
Agreed here tbh…
Yeah but the 2S38 has a far better main cannon.
Also has far better AA capability.
No reload/ downtime compared to ones with a first stage as well.
The bagliets and bmp3 /bmd4 could be 9.7 easily though
Id say for survivability its similar to the CV9040’s since they have armor but because of the pen, anti air, and essentially infinite ready rack they should be higher than the 9040’s.
2S38 btw
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do they not also have spall liners?
generally tthe 2s38 could be 10.7 and be absolutely fine, most other auto cannon lights have some form of disadvantage. The swedish ones the reload is ridiculously slow compared to the 2s38 chapping out over 40 rounds before it over heats. then if you do it right can fire it essentially without stop
Could do, but haven’t. But why not raise them as well, if you’re so certain?
Maus syndrome is a consideration, but despite the current limitations it’s managed to achieve exceptional results in your hands. An uptier to 4.3 would still allow it to have significant levels of armor in a downtier, but also be forced to fight the number of 3.3 TDs that can effectively deal with it. Rather than the entire 3.0 roster, none of which can scractch it frontally.
Beacuse I have no skin in the game. I don’t have either tank, and have barely fought the T29 due to it’s comparative rarity.
Based on your stats alone, there is enough evidence to suggest that the T29 should be moved up, but not enough to suggest the IS-6 should move down to meet it. 1.3 KD is on the low end of average for you, but not low enough to be a warning sign. It also suffers from Maus syndrome, drop it too low and it’s performance will quickly skyrocket.
I did. That’s at 1.2. Still within the low end of your average, still positive.
The 2A4 stats are high, but not surprising. Leopard 2s are definitely the meta vehicle for that BR, and the German lineup is stacked around there. It probably should be moved up so it can bully the weaker second gen MBTs less, but there’s no space for it to due to compression.
And your Abrams stats are just fine. A bit negative for the M1A1 AIM, but that’s probably due to the stock grind. Meanwhile, the other two are 1.4 and 1.7 KD, which is around completely average for you, with the Chrysler at 1.1 (On a low battle count, so not worth overanalyzing).
And frankly, I wasn’t cherry picking. I was just looking through your Soviet vehicle’s stats just to see if you had the experience with them to make those claims. And you mostly didn’t.
I could extend this analysis to the rest of your vehicles. The few I did check like the T92 had perfectly average stats, nowhere near enough to consider uptiering it. And the M50 was rather funny, since you’re demanding it move up two BR steps from a KD of 1. But I don’t have the time.