Guess the Fox was also fine at its original BR and pre nerfs? It was US and German players complaining about the Fox and then Gaijin add the final evolution of the rat vehicle and in typical Warthunder fashion the paper never tested vehicle is superior to the actual real Fox that served for decades…
Xm800 is overpowered everyone including US players agree
Only U.S. haters think it’s overpowered.
You cant even defend it.
Yes, you can’t defend it when the only argument to say it’s overpowered is that players are performing well in it.
That would still make no sense, and be ahistorical.
There is already a 9.0, 9.3, 10.0, a 10.3 and 11.7 spaa. Or something very similar to that
me waiting for small caliber APDS to be recalculated so the 30mm on the btr is accurate, and closer to the fox
It is a slightly slower fox with 5x the fire rate, half the volume, great turret traverse, and a full speed stabilizer, with good ammunition (especially for killing aircraft).
How is it not op? Honestly I’d like to see the xm800 be 8.3, and the Bradley be 8.7
Initially, ADATS was introduced as a counterweight to 2S6, as a competitor. It was BR 10.0. Now 2S6 is on 10.7, but 2S6 is better than ADATS, so it would be logical to put ADATS on 10.0. Return to its native BR.
The 2s6 had massive nerfs… the Adats hasn’t… therefore the br difference.
Also, Russia, for example, didn’t have a saclos launched spaa at 10.0 (now 10.3) like the USA did in the form of the Fake XM975
I see the Fox still lives rent free in someones head xD
Got a massive nerf, reduced in BR, then got a buff. It’s missile is still inferior to the ADATS but not by much to warrant an entire BR gap. The 2S6 is still a better AA soley because it can reliably spot air targets, namely A2G munitions and intercept them. The ADATS cannot do this.
The 2s6 is more suited towards top tier than the ADATS
Also, how is the XM975 fake? Wasn’t a prototype built and trials were done on it?
Because it has half the penetration and a higher BR.
You still haven’t given a single reason as to why it should be considered OP, especially when a single sneeze, even from a machine gun will kill it.
Also Bradley to 8.7 is also really sad anti-American cope considering its size, ammo belts, and the fact that it uses TOWs.
1 prototype hull I believe and the weapon system is German no?
Kinda like the E100 all over again lol.
And what “buff did the 2s6 get? I don’t recall seeing one, i remember it getting nerfed, then sent from 11.0 → 10.7
Okay so make the BMP-2 8.3 then?
lol no. BMP-2 is better than the Bradley
In fire rate, just like your xm.
Bradley has 2 Tows.
Better survivability.
Doesn’t make sense why they’re not the same br.
Thank you for proving my point as to why the BMP-2 belongs at a higher BR than Bradley, just like how XM800T belongs at a higher BR than Fox.
Aside from fire rate, BMP-2 has better missiles, better mobility, better survivability, and smaller sillhouette.
Have a second launcher doesn’t matter a whole lot when the missiles are worse and it’s the only real advantage.
Oooo. ADATS has been nerfed multiple times. Now it’s a pathetic parody of what it was at release. It could lock on targets from the third person, its missiles were very fast. Now ADATS is the worst top SAM, and it was given one BR higher.
Hidden Changes (March 2025)
Removal of Neutral Turn Function: Some players have noticed that ADATS has lost the ability to turn on the spot, reducing its maneuverability. This change was not listed in the official changelogs and may be a bug.
Decreased Launch Range
ADATS missiles now lose speed faster at longer ranges, significantly reducing their effective range against air targets.
Decreased Maneuverability
The maneuverability of the MIM-146 missiles has been reduced. Now the missiles are worse at catching maneuvering targets, especially at medium and long ranges.
Missile Slowdown
Players have noted that the missiles accelerate more slowly and lose energy faster in flight, making them less effective against high-speed targets (such as fighters in afterburner).
More Misses Against Air Targets
Due to the weakened controllability and speed, missiles are more likely to miss their targets, especially if they are actively maneuvering.
Missile Invisibility (Smokeless Trail)
While this is a realistic change, it hinders the operator himself - it is difficult to visually adjust the missile after launch.
