Proposed ground RB battle rating changes

Better missiles? It trades 70mm pen for speed.
Tows are 50 m/s faster, and you can fire two without reloading, not to mention the insta reload bug the Bradly’s ATGMs have had for years.

Bmp-2 has better mobility yes.

Larger silhouette? Taller the Bradley is, but the bmp is longer.

Survivability is definitely better in the Bradley there guy.

And the bmp 2 is a higher br while pretty much being equal to the Bradley

Calling BMP-2 equal is a wild amount of anti-American cope.

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The Adats has more HE mass, and has higher g overload than Both the pansir and the 2s6

It also has 800 pen…

It’s called honest. If you aren’t here to contribute honestly and without bias…

Please I ask you to vacate

I haven’t played it, thus it wasn’t added

I wish the F-104 was never added

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Great, but ADATS is completely useless against top aircraft. Its missiles don’t fly, I can hardly shoot down a UAV with it, you can’t even imagine what a humiliation it is to play it against KH-38MT, you hide like a boy behind rocks so as not to be killed and in the hope that the Su-30 or Su-34 will simply forget and fly closer. ADATS is an absolutely useless SAM, that’s why it hasn’t been in the game for a long time, no one takes it, but for the Soviets there are 3 Pantsir S1 at the spawn, which successfully intercept all missiles and bombs.

I have never been able to have my pansir intercept any munitions purposely.

Very rarely have I seen others do so.

The Adats can kill drones…? And is more likely to kill a plane that is within range more so than a pansir, due to max g overload.
If you cannot see your munition, turn the thermal on.

Also the Su-30/34 are mentioned why? Plenty of CAS can out range all spaa

People play it consistently

Oh my God, stop it already. It seems like we are playing different games. Just look at the killchat during the game. The pantir intercepts both mavericks and GBU-39s and Walleye bombs. I fired 6 mavericks at the pantir and it intercepted them all. If you play so badly that you can’t even intercept the slowest missiles that fly at you for a minute or more even with the pantir, then you clearly have a skill issue.

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Stop having a different experience than you? Um… okay?

And there’s the skill issue… alright, well please reply when you have something that actually needs to be moved. Thanks !

Didn’t you say that you play on console in a different thread? I would assume that it’s much more difficult to do a lot of things.

Pantsir intercepting agms is commonplace and there’s a lot of videos that back it up.


There’s bug where it doesn’t show on thermals and it completely disappears after some 4-5km (I think)


They are the most common in game and the deadliest of all CAS aircraft. Lets not pretend that it isn’t. The ADATS suck in general when it comes to defending against agms but most of them, you can hide behind cover. It’s difficult to do that when a agm is going mach jesus


Because it’s the only top tier spaa for america??? It’s better to have it than not.


You gotta invest your time in other nations. It really shows with the stuff you say. And no, just because you have event/prem vehicles doesn’t mean you get the full experience.

It’s all fun and games until you get GPS’d by a semi competent player. You can’t really tell the difference between GPS decoys and IR missiles.

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Also missing it’s TWS system

and yes 800mm pen is only relevant when you are the last one on your team and need to kill the invetitable Russian spawn camping.

You are correct, I play on console with a controller. Lending a significant advantage to any and all M&K users. And there’s plenty more like me.
Consoles have always have the biggest disadvantages when it comes to WT…
(And even then I’m still a very good player).

And what do you mean invest my time in other nations…?
I have top tier: USA, Germany, Russia, Italy.
Almost top: France, Sweden, Britain.
If we aren’t counting premiums I have purchased / people bought for me.

But what does any of that have to do with battle ratings?

Pretty sure Germany is worst spawn camping offender, followed by USA, then USSR

All nations do the spawncamp :)

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Getting nukes is not exactly a indicator of a tank being overpowered, I got several nukes in the various low tier vehicles, And frequently slaughter teams at 6.7-7.7 with the rocket BT-5, That doesn’t mean they should go to high tier.

Any tank can get nukes if the enemy you are fighting is stupid.

Without APDS it cant even pen some light vehicles, HVAP is comically bad right now to the point a .50 cal has more pen on high angles.
Unless it also got classed as an SPAA and lowered in BR removing its APDS would make the vehicle completely useless for anything that isn’t scouting or shooting clueless CAS players.

I used a PS3 controller with my keyboard for a couple weeks when my mouse broke. It barely effected my gameplay outside of free-looking which became harder, and helicopters due to the extra needed keybinds.

Actually aiming is just as easy if you spend a little time configuring your axis (something Warthunder has very good support for).

On Xbox the settings for aiming are screwed in WT.

Also you forget planes take mass amounts of keybinds.