Proposed ground RB battle rating changes

[aDSD]

@UniqueScorpions

Begleitpanzer 57 9.3 > 10.0 (pretty much a IRST lock-less 2s38, being faster and better armored at a whole br lower. This can often reduce all enemy CAS like it didn’t exist, especially helicopters, which makes it surprisingly under br’d still. The TOW is usable for long range hits, or as a back up weapon

Maybe if it gets APFSDS

@UniqueScorpions

KV-1(Zis-5) 4.7 > 4.3 (the Sweden one is 4.7 with a

both should go down

@UniqueScorpions

Object 122MT 8.7 > 9.0 (a far better T-62, boasting better armor, with enhanced mobility, and the ability to fire 4 ATGMs rapidly along side its main gun

Just no, T-62 itself is quite lacking even to T-55A

I dont agree with others more but it’s not like this is planned BR changes for me to cover all.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

thats like a 50-60 different accounts

Still more than one guy.

[Nowel]

still one guy can be well over 10% of your sample size, just because numbers are bigger doesnt mean that it is better.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

just because numbers are bigger doesnt mean that it is better.

No. more numbers means more data is very simple.

[Nowel]

No… a low low sample means unreliable data, which is what you have as a claim, specially if there is sort of skill in hand, if you just look at things like kd or win rate while not taking into account others things like if you actually have a decent sample you would get that the ariete amv is one of the best tanks at top tier, which is far from true, being actually one of the worst.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

a low low sample means unreliable data

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Source 1 - Thunderskill with few hundreds or thousands battles registred.
Source 2- 2 russian mains.

First one is not reliable the second is the accurate !!

[Nowel]

@Panzerknacker_31

Source 1 - Thunderskill with few hundreds or thousands battles registred.

Buddy just because they track thousands of batles doesnt mean that they have reliable data for all the vehicles… 600 battles is a short samples by all measures as single players can play docens or even more than a houndred games in one month. because again if you take all data of thunder skill as an absulute you will get things like this:

[Jagd27]

@Nowel
I try again.
According to you, the web can track 600 battles is not a reliable source due the low number of battles. So if this is not enough for support a hipotetical BR change for sure the experience of a single player should be much much reliable, yes or no???

[Nowel]

@Panzerknacker_31

I try again.

@Panzerknacker_31

According to you, the web can track 600 battles is not a reliable source due the low number of battles. So if this is not enough for support a hipotetical BR change

they are not.

I will end it here since it seems like there is no point to even argue if you cant compredhend basic statistics principles and you seem to ignore a show case as to how low sample sizes are missleading.

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

they are not.

I will end it here since it seems like there is no point to even argue if you cant compredhend basic statistics principles and you seem to ignore a show case as to how low sample sizes are missleading.

HAHAHAHAHHA.

Russian mains…

@UniqueScorpions stop the false flagging !

[UniqueScorpions]

@aDSD

@UniqueScorpions

T-54 (1947) 7.7 > 7.3 (absolutely terrible vehicle, other than armor, gun handling sucks, shell is okay, turret traverse is like a panther D. The cons make fighting vehicles with HEAT-FS a living hell, as your armor was made to stop AP, APHE, etc).

T-54 (1949) 8.0 > 7.7 (same as above)

T-64A (1971) 9.3 > 9.0 (has worse gun elevation degrees a second vs br 1.0 tanks, has armor that may stop early HEAT-FS, but will not stop APFSDS nearly at all. its pros are: good turret armor, pretty decent gun, and low profile. Cons: slow, slow reload, bad bull armor, easy to 1 hit kill.)

I disagree, T-64A would be strong af, it’s like VCC80/60 vs unstabilised Leopard 1’s again, except now it would be unstabilised Leopard 1 against T-64A. Even against it’s correct time period enemy, T-62/64A its not ready.

Yeah, I do partially agree with the T-64 thing but Leo A1A1s are 9.0 now aren’t they?
T-64s struggle in anything 0.7 br or higher, and may bounce some rounds in 0.3 higher matches.

[UniqueScorpions]

@aDSD

@UniqueScorpions

Begleitpanzer 57 9.3 > 10.0 (pretty much a IRST lock-less 2s38, being faster and better armored at a whole br lower. This can often reduce all enemy CAS like it didn’t exist, especially helicopters, which makes it surprisingly under br’d still. The TOW is usable for long range hits, or as a back up weapon

Maybe if it gets APFSDS

@UniqueScorpions

KV-1(Zis-5) 4.7 > 4.3 (the Sweden one is 4.7 with a

both should go down

@UniqueScorpions

Object 122MT 8.7 > 9.0 (a far better T-62, boasting better armor, with enhanced mobility, and the ability to fire 4 ATGMs rapidly along side its main gun

Just no, T-62 itself is quite lacking even to T-55A

I dont agree with others more but it’s not like this is planned BR changes for me to cover all.

I could swap the Beglit to 9.7, but it’s still extremely potent… that’s why I say it should be 10.7, especially given I moved the 2s38 to 10.7

Both KVs going down seems a little off, the Swedish one has the better turret which lends it to have far better survivability as that’s the weak point on the KV-1s. That’s why they should still have a br gap, but just a minor one.

Have you played the obj.122? It’s got better angling than the T-62 and often bounces rounds, while being quite mobile and having the ATGMs as backup weapons.

[UniqueScorpions]

If i remember correctly, thunderskill only accounts for those whom signed up for it, meaning a lot of players don’t even use it.

So it’s a bit odd @Panzerknacker_31 is trying to use it as a source

[Jagd27]

@UniqueScorpions

So it’s a bit odd @Panzerknacker_31 is trying to use it as a source

And what kind of source are you using for your conclussions???

[Nowel]

@UniqueScorpions

So it’s a bit odd @Panzerknacker_31 is trying to use it as a source

Probably because he was mad that people want to send up the clovis with clear advatages from the tt equivalent and since he fail at acting like a victim he tried to go with the Whataboutism route.

[Nowel]

@БЕИ

Chinese T-54s are basically an upgraded version of RU T-54 with stabilizers and better zoom, they are clearly not equal.

iirc the type 69 also have the upgraded engine

[Jagd27]

@Nowel_

Probably because he was mad that people want to send up the clovis with clear advatages from the tt equivalent and since he fail at acting like a victim he tried to go with the Whataboutism route.

Nah, i dont care the Clovis, im mad how people think Germany need 14 nerfs or USA 8 nerfs and Soviets (the most stupid and op nation in the game) need more lower BRs LOL.

[PumaKing247]

@Ion_Protogen

And that’s enough for it’s BR, especially when combined with APHE. The Shermans of the same BR only have 104, and the Churchill VII at 4.7 has 104 without APHE.

Exactly :)

@Ion_Protogen

You shouldn’t be dying to an M5A1 in your Kv-1E/B

You should’t but in this game - have and probably will again, nothings certain in War thunder. You can kill a tiger with an M22 ( not that was a troll and half in game lol ), the M5a1 has 87mm pen at short range!

@Ion_Protogen

It is super OP, because its armour can easily resist almost any gun it faces when angled. To put it simply: its armour increase is worst 0.7 Brs over the standard Kv-1, because plenty of 100mm thick armour is unreasonable at 4.0. In the 41 matches I’ve played, I have only 3 losses, and a KD of 4.42, which says to me that it needs to go up in BR.

Not especially, you use it - you’re an experienced player - you know how to use it!

Having a high KD really doesn’t mean much, Ive seen t-34 players with a 8-1 KD (very recently and even posdted in discord about it as that was the highest I’ve ever seen in game, but not all players can get that… again Skill matters, ive only got a 2/1 KD on both out of aprox 750 matches each.

[Nowel]

@Panzerknacker_31

i dont care the Clovis, im mad how people think Germany need 14 nerfs or USA 8 nerfs and Soviets (the most stupid and op nation in the game) need more lower BRs LOL.

Sure buddy, but for some reason you seem to only cry about the german “nerf”…

[Ion_Protogen]

@PumaKing247

You should’t but in this game - have and probably will again, nothings certain in War thunder. You can kill a tiger with an M22 ( not that was a troll and half in game lol )

But that doesn’t mean the tiger is bad.

@PumaKing247

Not especially, you use it - you’re an experienced player - you know how to use it!

But it’s by far my best performing tank. Even the seal clubbing machine of the Ka-Chi still performs worse.

The KV-1E and B need to go up. Their armour for their BR is unreasonable, and they don’t have any distinct downsides apart from poor mobility and an OK gun.