Dont forget the anti no skill soviets angle modifiers.
It a working list for that reason.
And seeing as I have no experience with the top tier Sweden vehicles I didn’t add them
Not as much as the B. Like I said before, the B has the benefit of not seeing giant German guns.
This just proves my point more. Enough for its br, no higher.
Also, as I said previously, the German one is ultimately better.
why add all the .3 or .7 BS thats the only reason why we get uptiers just get rid of them and have them at 3.0 5.0 ect stop adding the .3 and .7
CLOVIS 8.0 → 8.3
It’s a DF105 but with a 20mm coax, better gun depression, better horizontal traverse, and laser rangefinder.
the B has the benefit of not seeing giant German guns.
Sweden and Italy Panzer 4s and Sutg say hello.
Also, as I said previously, the German one is ultimately better.
Soviets is by far better. With better line up and more spamed. 4.3 asap!!!
This just proves my point more. Enough for its br, no higher.
Also, as I said previously, the German one is ultimately better.
Both of them are equally good, and deserve the same BR.
And it’s enough for 4.0, and enough for 4.3. You can’t give something 5.X equivalent armour with a 3.X gun and put it at 4.0. I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can think that it isn’t OP.
Harry Hopkins I 2.3 → 2.0
Not really sure why it’s this high. It’s a better armored Tetrarch and that’s about it. And Tetrarch is reserve tier.
the b has never been called op before. good but not op

CLOVIS 8.0 → 8.3
It’s a DF105 but with a 20mm coax, better gun depression, better horizontal traverse, and laser rangefinder.
CLOVIS 8.0 → 8.7? I already added the DF105 to 8.3
UniqueScorpions:This just proves my point more. Enough for its br, no higher.
Also, as I said previously, the German one is ultimately better.
Both of them are equally good, and deserve the same BR.
And it’s enough for 4.0, and enough for 4.3. You can’t give something 5.X equivalent armour with a 3.X gun and put it at 4.0. I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can think that it isn’t OP.
I would say it’s more like 4.3 armor, and a 3.7 gun.
Take for example the KV-1C, it’s got 4.7 / 5.0 armor but a 3.7’s cannon. Therefore the cannon makes up the difference.
I said it already, I don’t think they’re equal, they’re close, but based on what they’re going to face makes a difference.
People call the PT-76B OP lol.
So I don’t really reliably believe people when they say certain things are op unless total consideration has happened
Take for example the KV-1C, it’s got 4.7 / 5.0 armor but a 3.7’s cannon. Therefore the cannon makes up the difference.
I’m 99% sure the Kv-1E/B has better armour than than the C does. The Kv-1C also has a 4.0/4.3 level gun, and it only shows up so low due to German players sucking, and the Panzers being sub par platforms when compared to Shermans or T-34s.

CLOVIS 8.0 → 8.3
Cant be 8.3 because lack of stabilizer and APFSDS.
It should be, because it is better than the DF105 at 8.0. However, it shouldn’t go to 8.7 because it would be terrible there.
Decompression can solve this.
It should be, because it is better than the DF105 at 8.0.
Thats the idea of premiun in this game. You paid for somehting better in the same BR.
Like the TO-55, T-10A, OPject-140, etc etc.
Decompression can solve this.
Until this happen move up to 8.3 is just destroy the tank. Btw this is just another case of “is german lets cry” .
Btw this is just another case of “is german lets cry”
It’s also a French vehicle… but I guess it’s easier to argue against someone when you play the victim.

It’s also a French vehicle
In German TT, if this vehicles was in France TT you for sure wouldnt be here suggesting his BR change.
if this vehicles was in France TT
The “also a French vehicle” wasn’t an additional point jspene was trying to make, he was saying that the CLOVIS is a vehicle not just of German, but French design as well.