if you dont see them you dont see them simple and they will one shot your WW2 heavy and ruin your WW2 game
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You know what else will one-shot your WW2 heavy tank?
IS-2
Any ISU with gun above 120mm
Any vehicle with 90mm M3
Any vehicle with short 88
Brummbar
Sturmtiger
Jagdtiger
Dicker Max/Sturer Emil/Nashorn
Churchill AVRE
Italian 90mm-armed SPGs/TDs
Stormpjäs fm/43-44
And a good few of those have far better protection, suspension, gun depression, reload speed, other important factors compared to the “postwar” artillery pieces added more recently :P
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Mostly WW2 in a WW2 scenario fine. I actually served with the M109 so why would I want to see it in a WW2 scenario? You maybe be a kid and fail to understand that ,fine but dont lecture me.I expect to be killed by a WW2 tank in a WW2 setting not some 80s thing.
Do you know any history? Do you even know what realism is in a video game or are you one of those millennial who is killing video games dead ? As they are dying currently due to decisions made by people like you.
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War Thunder has not, and will never be, a WW2 setting. You’ve already been told this, and you have to know it at some level at this point. The Pandora’s box here was never closed in the first place.
I know in history, the A1E1 Independent never entered the battlefield. In history, encountering a Tiger was relatively rear, and a king tiger even more so… And there was only one T26E1-1 with plates welded to it. Realistically, most german tanks would fail to even get to the battlefield properly, or take hours to maintain after a match… Which is why the game aims for authenticity in vehicle mechanics, rather than any sort of realism in period matchmaking.
And funny thing about the M109s, since you say you served in them… When they were introduced in the '63, they were pretty horribly underspec’d even then, and taken in for an upgrade in '73… Which was pretty much just a longer cannon. If indirect fire were reasonably possible in WT, I’d agree that it wouldn’t be appropriate, but given it’s a glass cannon direct fire vehicle ingame… It’s just another one to join the ranks of already-mentioned vehicles, worse than even some WW2 vehicles :P
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Giving Germany the PzH 2000 at like 10.3 would’ve been so much better than the M109G if Germany HAS to have a HE slinging SPG
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Yes, that would be a far better idea. And 10.3 is not to high for it, because of the 3.3 seconds autoloader.
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First 5 BRs are WW2 with a few exceptions so…
If you have to make a few exceptions, it’s not WW2…
Its WW2 up about 5BR .Only the late addition of Sweden and its prototypes bucks the trend and and the recent deluge of SA stuff in the UK line up that nobody from Britain seems to like or want.
Also at 6-7 BR where WW2 heavies meet fast cold war tanks with 3- 400mm of pen the game is extreme contentious,so many complaints about old armour being redundant there.
M109 ruined the game at 6BR for me and many others feel the same.You would only notice of you actually play that BR.
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Having ww2 vehicles facing 80s tanks is a crazy take
Remove it from the game ,it has no place where it is
What makes these “80s tanks” (actually slightly upgraded 60s tanks) better? Go ahead, do tell.
Stabilization? They’re actually less stable.
Depression? They’ve got less of that.
Faster reload? They’re slower than most.
Better technology? They’ve not got a laser rangefinder, or even a normal one.
They’re literally just slightly faster than mediums of the tier, with none of the armor at all.
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Many Cold War tanks have been facing WW2 vehicles for years, like M42, M56 or PT-76 off the top of my head, but nobody complains. Suddenly M109 arrives and is the end of the world because it can easily OHK a German 6.7 heavy.
Are you saying PT-76, M42, Pvkv IV etc should be 7.7 or higher because they are Cold War tanks?
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Tell me again, this time without the unneeded insults.
What makes these “80s tanks” so much better?
I would say its the ability to totally negate WW2 armour as they would in reality.Time moves on.
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Would a WW2 155mm+ SPH not do the exact same thing?
Like, I dunno. The much better armored Brummbar or Sturmtiger?
No they are too rare and hard to aim.Premiums and prizes.Modern artillery is spam and can hit from distance.
It is possible that the Artillery spam has died a bit but there is much dissatisfaction where WW2 overlaps with Post War.
I don’t see how its a situation that can be reversed though.The modern artillery is here to stay and the WW2 game dead. If that causes some players to walk away then so be it.
Why not put in WW2 artillery? The m109 was just lazy
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One was literally given out for free, the other is still available as premium.
The M109A1 (6.3) has an aced reload speed of 13.3 seconds. The Brummbar, 17.2 seconds (better armor). Sturmtiger? 40 seconds (with far more armor, a far bigger round that can get multikills on even relatively well-armored vehicles, and a rangefinder that makes it far easier to aim).
WW2 has always overlapped with postwar.
It would be at a much lower battle rating due to being seen as direct fire, not to mention less practicality, just like the early cold-war howitzers seen ingame. Do you really want to see things like the M12, M40, M43 at even lower BRs?
Lol that is what he said 🤣