its jaw-dropping in the HORRIBLE way, every single line up from 9.3 is instantly absorbed into 10.3 with the swarms of abrams,turms and leo 2’s which is specially WORSE for germany since you wont get a SINGLE MBT UNTIL 10.0.
its really painfull to play uptiers with my lineup being the kpz-70, leoa1a1, tam, begleitpanzer and the gepard since most games im totally outgunned in thermals and even gun calibers when im stuck with 105mm CANNONS.
um… what? 9.3 and 9.7 germany is absolutely cracked. I completed the entire techtree but the only br i play anymore is 9.3 and 9.7, because the t72m1/kpz70/beglietpanzer or radpanzer/gepard1a2/beglietpanzer lineups are goated. Don’t even bother with the leo1a1 btw, it’s mid. If you’re not using the gepard 1a2 and beglietpanzer, please buy them and use them. ( and i use the Alpha jet/mi24p for CAS)
Germany easily has the best 9.3 lineup in the game. There’s a vehicle to fit pretty much every need, besides an AA but you can use the 8.3 Gepard for that.
Cannon light tank? TAM/TAM 2IP
Auto light? Bagelpanzer
Fast MBT? Kpz-70
Well armored MBT? T-72M1
Sniping MBT? Leopard 1A5
Backup MBT? M48 Super
CAS? Alpha Jet
This lmao… honestly, just use the t72 as sniping and armoured and don’t use the m48 at all, i find that just bringing the t72 and kpz70 and using backups is good enough. Also, beglietpanzer is decent at anti air too. I’ve found that the TAM’s are outclassed though, they’re not that good
and how does that prevent me from full uptiers?
kpz-70 fucking sucks since the apfsds nerf which cannot even front pen early MBT’s without relying on the cupola cheese(which mostly will not work on modern tanks) , begleitpanzer’s I-TOW is barely even useful since most tanks have ERA also its role as a “SPAA” is just awful since your teammates with stingers or strelas will always get the kill first(basically the same thing with gepard), M48 cant even bother since its awful, alpha jet will constantly get sniped by IRCM SAM’s even when preflaring, TAM worked for me so thats the only one that can stand its ground and finally the leopard a1a1 which you know how bad it is.
lol
Uptiering requires there to be more players at that BR than 1.0 up and down.
Meaning 9.3 has to be far more popular than 10.3 and 8.3, which it is.
All 10 tech trees have amazing 9.3 lineups that are easy to play.
105mm DM33 is very powerful, with German 9.3 MBTs being very good.
And yet it has a good reload, and better hp/t than even top tier MBTs. If it has good firepower it would probably be 10 or 10.3.
Then don’t hit ERA with it? lol. Your primary weapon is the 57 anyway. Sure it can’t kill MBTs every time even from the side but that’s an issue with pretty much every auto light.
It isn’t? It’s an average MBT, jack of all trades master of none. Good firepower, good mobility and okay armor (compared to Leopard and Leopard clones).
The tank itself isn’t really bad, it’s an issue with the stock grind because DM23 is tier 3. Once spaded it’s very solid. And anyway you have the 1A5 at 9.3 anyway with thermals and better firepower.
LMAO cant believe how hard are you trying to defend this, for starters:
Kpz70 in a full uptier (always) is awful, the reload rate and speed doesnt help you that much if your main shell is one of the worst at that BR hell even the m48a2 g2 haves better post pen.
begleitpanzer is in a heavy disadvantage thanks to the subpar thermals, very slow movement and haves to face agaisnt ERA and composite armor tanks in uptiers (like before, always…) and you can only hope to encounter oblivious players or light tanks to take potshots.
M48 is a waste of RP since you have the T-72 which is ten times better (also doesnt offer any better advantages and also is a M48…)
Leopard a1a1 lacks LR which is a very heavy disadvantage in a BR where EVERYONE gets one (also its just the leopard 1 with apfsds and a stab and nothing else)
Yeah agree 9.3 is doomed especially stock tanks like T-72A facing 2A4s
I don’t get what’s so funny about someone having a different opinion about a specific lineup (one I’ve played quite a bit).
Kpz-70 is still capable of penning most MBTs it faces, at least through the side. Considering its mobility it is a very competent flanker in an uptier.
Bagel is an auto light, what else is there to say? Flank with it.
Funny how you think DM33 is worse than 3BM22, Gen 1 thermals is worse than no thermals, and 4 reverse gears are worse than 1.
Leopard A1A1 is 9.0. Leopard 1A5 has laser rangefinder, thermals and DM33 for the 9.3 lineup.
Simply use brain thats all you need
Tbh it’s sad that everyone’s response is “well make your shitty uptier situation better by playing smarter.” Guess what, there is still a premium lineup problem that causes 9.0 and 9.3 to be much less enjoyable than it could be. Stop giving cope solutions and address the problem.
I’m about to unlock 9.3 stuff with USSR and it looks good… but as far as I remember since I don’t play this BR on my main nation, it was pure pain for US, so heavily disagree. 6-8 I remember being good to great depending on the tank for US… but after that was utter pain until 10.0.
Actually I just went and looked, we don’t even have 9.3, so idk what you’re even talking about. The Imp chaparral and MBT-70? Lol
That’s your “amazing 9.3 lineup that all nations have which are easy to play” …?
…
Sure.
Not one of those is 9.3, Mariana is premium, and any m60 is pain it’s probably one of the easiest tanks to beat tank at its tier. It’s penned frontally basically anywhere and can’t hide behind cover because of a massive cupola. as well it’s god awful slow. I’m not even sure it has a reload to make up for it, but it could, like I said I don’t play it. This conversation is reminding me exactly why.
Firmly disagree with you about “9.3” which I assume you just mean 9.0. I remember liking the mbt70 series cuz of the speed and suspension, but was well undergunned if memory serves right.
lol If you think M60 is slow and M774 is bad, then you’re going to hate Soviet 9.3.
Yeah it’s a shame that 9.3 is uptiered so often when most nations have solid 9.3 lineups that are pretty well balanced vs one another.
The m60 is slow, I don’t see how it’s even a discussion.
M774 is good, so we have 1 tank with 1 good round at 9.0, right? I can’t keep referencing the chart, but I’m pretty sure that’s it. I still dont think you’ve made an argument for “all 10 tech trees have amazing 9.3” if this is what qualifies for the US as good.
Im not experienced enough to comment on other trees because I haven’t played them other than the premiums I have bought.
With regards to USSR, we’ll see, but I mean my wallet warrior 10.0 is already doing better than my US one lol. I don’t see how earlier T-series will be any different to the 2 I’m already used to.
soviet 9.3 is actually bearable, you get the T-72A and T-64A as your MBT’s with the help of 2S25 or BMP-3 which gets tandem charge ATGM’s that are good for 10.3 and lastly the shilka-m4 with the IGLA’s which are performing like a charm now.
if i wanted the DM33 that bad i would just research the 2A4 at that point with the assured uptiers