No reason for US one not to have the stuff listed but no A2G is accurate for Swiss
US one should get all the stuff listed and Swiss should get a2g removed
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Happens to be the pilot model copied from the tech tree F/A-18C (Late) in the US tree, the aircraft itself is functionally just the late but with a far reduced weapons load right now.
Emphasis on yet, and for what its worth, I would not be against both getting such, as well as the XF-2A ADTW as that aircraft did prototype a Japanese HMD. The F-2A should also sport it.
IRL yes I agree, however, per the rational Smin gave above, and being the route Gaijin is now taking for what weapons an aircraft can have in game, I am opting to push for the maximum number of satisfied parties involved. Thus, I wish to adhere rigidly to this sentiment and allow all aircraft the absolute maximum carriage and equipment options possible for them universally.
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Yes and No. We don’t know which prototype sported the Prototype HMD (could be the later F-2B ADTWs or Service F-2As) but we do know that F-2As now have HMD, but only when upgraded to the AAM-5 standard. Same with the F-15J (Pre-JMSIP). So I doubt Gaijin will give it HMD until the AAM-5. Same with F-15J possibly.
Edit - Its not concrete if F-2A actually was upgraded to HMD standard. I was under the impression it was as AAM-5s were made with HMD in mind iirc. There are official documents proving an upgrade w/ HMD were proposed, but whether implemented is up for question. There’s theories of XF-2As having tested HMD but nothing official or concrete.
We will have to see, although I will say that regardless, I support it getting it if it had the capability as per Smin’s statement. Such is in the end more of a conversation for the F-2A thread though so I will stop here regarding it.
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Agreed, Gaijin denied multiple bug reports of both vehicles based on “balancing” claims. When you pull an issue regarding balance, gaijin tells you it’s “not realistic”, and when you pull an issue on realistic replication, gaijin tells you “we need balance”
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So dev got a major update and a number of changes and additions were made, however, the premium asymmetry is still present.
Such needs to be addressed for aircraft that are nearly identical bar one just being flat out better if they are both being sold as premiums.
The Swiss hornet either needs to be equalized with the US one as both are premiums with the same buy in price and BR, or the Swiss hornet needs to be moved up in BR as it is the same aircraft but with vastly superior performance.
Welp, the pack purchase is now live for the Swiss hornet and it is still exactly the same as it was at the start of the dev server, same exact BR as the C Early in the US tree as well.
I guess Gaijin is fine with selling the same aircraft but better in a majority of ways a bit later in another tree for more profit.
PSA do not buy the US F/A-18C Early, it is a direct downgrade to the Swiss F/A-18C hornet yet is being sold for the exact same price.
This is despicable.
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You know the pricing is a fixed value depending on the rank, right?
Hey man, you don’t need to use the air to ground stuff, let the Swiss be able to play CAS. There’s a reason why the Swedish have the worst Hornet in the game, and it’s absolutely stupid that we have to research an additional 420k points just to get a viable F-18 for Sweden.
Matters not, you are still paying the same price for the same product but better currently.
Had the Swiss hornet sported a different BR this would not be an issue, but as it stands right now it is the same aircraft but better at the same BR.
What are the differences so far? iirc BOL was taken off of Devblog so that was removed im assuming, it didn’t get HMD. So only AN/AAS + AN/APG + F404 or?
Everything listed in the OP minus the HMD.
I think a BR increase would be better, as iirc all of those said upgrades came later in the -18C production (minus HMD)
America does kinda get shafted, f4s is the best sparrow phantom locked behind a paywal. F20 locked behind paywal, low br f5 behind paywall.
If its accurate it is what it is, but moving it up to 13.0 makes it dead on arrival. Slightly better engines and more cm doesn’t make it 13.0 material you can thank compression for the situation, but even with that in mind I dont see these being different BR. You have things like su33 vs su27 at 13.0 and the margins there are a lot bigger than here, and many other cases.
Its not slightly better engines, the Late C sports almost 10000 fpm of climb rate over the Early C, to that same end the AN/APG-73 is a large upgrade over the 65 and provides vastly superior tracking, not to mention its not just some more countermeasures, it literally doubled, 60 to 120.
To crown it all off the Swiss hornet has a superior TGP and EGBUs, meanwhile the Early C has no GPS guided munitions.
Aircraft have been sent up to higher BRs for far less than this.
In deep missile BRs? What examples? I can see below like 11.0, not up here. Ground ordinance doesn’t matter at all in arb and should only affect grb rating.
And aren’t the engines just ~10% better? idk what 10000 freedom units is or what to even compare it to.
which is bad
The F/A-18A for getting 7Ms even though they are functionally identical to the 7Fs it has, all of the A-10s, the A-6E getting skippers, which, you yourself admit are largely irrelevant in ARB, the F-16A still being dragged up even though it lacks any long range options, and of course, the poor F-14s, specifically the B, getting tossed up because the Persian F-14 is op.
To that same end the Swiss hornet still sports the exact same GRB br so that argument is moot as well.
And no, the C early sports a climb rate of roughly 40000 fpm, the C late sports a climb rate of 48900 fpm, such is a substantial improvement in performance, and I’m sorry you don’t understand aviation standard, but fpm is the universal measure of climb rate per ICAO.
I was being a bit funny, i don’t know much about technical side of things but I’ve seen people saying its about 10% better in game performance wise not sure what the truth is there.
About those planes, they all sit at their BRs because of the missiles they carry and not flight performance or things like CM count. There aren’t any planes in game with 9m/r73 or equiv below 13.0 with a good FM, and the planes that are unfortunate enough to have these things + bad BVR kit get shafted into 13.0 and power crept by current compression.
F/A 18A sits at one of the most favorable BRs in the entire game, so im not sure why it matters 7ms are identitical to 7f, you don’t want it getting better missiles and moving up to 12.7. A-10 are all at BRs where they can’t bully things with their missiles not fm or CM, F14 are the only planes with fox 3 below 13.0 sure they aren’t great, but they are still fox 3s. If you gave them 9m they immedietely shoot up to 13.0 where they are outclassed even harder and the 9m won’t make up for the BR jump and worse MM.
If you want the swiss f18 nerfed, you give it 9m, and move it to 13.0 which is a bad trade, it can’t go up because its faster and has more CM. The game is full of planes at the 12.7+ BR which have planes which are just direct upgrades of it sometimes even in the same TT at the same BR due to compression. Even below there again you have stuff like who wants to fly an f4j vs f4s, even more nitpicky or sim dependent examples like mig 23 ML et al vs MLD, or the examples in F5 family.
Incorrect, if that was the case the F-14B and F-16A would not be at the BRs they reside at.
I guess the F1C does not exist then.
Because it was at a lower BR to begin with while only sporting 7Fs, it received 7Ms as a reason to go up in BR, yet, the 7F to M is functionally identical, thus the “benefit” it got ord wise from moving up was moot.
Yet other options with the same superior missiles and better FMs exist at lower BRs, or are we going to forget that the SU-25s exist?
The AIM-54 is a joke in game, anyone who considers it a valid missile over the AIM-7 is willingly gaslighting you. It is only effective against AFK or extremely dumb players, the Fakour 90 is a different story. However, gaijin conflated the 54 to be the same as the Fakour when they nerfed the tech tree F-14A and B, when in reality the 54 is so vastly inferior its not even a contest.
There is a reason only the persian cat is played regularly now.
The F-14B is 13.0, its has needed 9Ms for god knows how long but has not gotten anything in consolation for it’s current BR, its hot garbage.
Ok cool so you have not actually read the OP at all, thank you for clarifying this. And no, going faster and having more CMs is something that can effect BR, otherwise the F-15C MISP would not be 13.7 while the F-15E is 14.0.
Both aircraft have the same air to air loadouts, the only difference between the two is the radar and engine performance, and of course the A2G options but as you said, such is irrelevant in ARB.
There isn’t a direct upgrade premium of the same vehicle currently sold in another tree at the same BR and for the same price.
Cool irrelevant to the actual situation as the ML and F4S have no superior premium duplicates in other trees, their counterparts are present within the normal tech tree of that nation and are attainable without paying money.