Are you serious? Should the armor penetration of a pre-war HEAT round be 8.3?
Many tanks with 8.0 penetration already have non-rotating HEAT rounds with 380-400 mm of penetration. What does the armor penetration of a 155 mm HEAT round have to do with it? Absolutely any armor plate, regardless of thickness, can stop it, since it’s a pre-war rotating HEAT round. Based on in-game experience, a non-rotating HEAT round will be 40-50% better than its pre-war counterparts, which can be stopped by any armor plate or poorly placed module in the path of the HEAT jet. It will only be able to destroy tanks due to the large amount of explosives in the round (pressure mechanics), not a “cyber-powerful round with 408 mm of armor penetration.” So how will it differ from the VIDAR or PzKh 2000, which have the same caliber but use high-explosive fragmentation ammunition? Furthermore, they have a very short reload time (a VIDAR with an experienced crew has a reload time of 6 seconds), suggesting that the T58 is simply more armored and less maneuverable. Furthermore, regardless of the penetration of the T58’s HEAT round, its effectiveness will be negated by various tanks equipped with composite or explosive reactive armor (ERA). (T-55AM/AMD, T-72A (used by Sweden, Germany, and Italy), MBT-70 (even without composite armor, its spaced armor can stop HEAT rounds), AMX Brenus, Strv 104, M60 RISE-P, etc.) And yes, I’m assuming your answer is something along the lines of “Well, these tanks can be targeted at vulnerable zones, where they can be guaranteed to be destroyed using the pressure mechanics.” I’ll counter: the T58 won’t be equipped with a laser rangefinder to accurately target their vulnerable zones, and the HEAT shell will have less explosive payload, so the pressure mechanics might simply not work under certain circumstances. This isn’t even true if you’re trying to target such vulnerable zones at a distance of 600 meters or more, and such distances are clearly not uncommon in the game.
With a BR 8.3, it often faces tanks with composite or ERA armor, and its HEAT shell doesn’t even penetrate weak spots and often doesn’t guarantee destruction at all. Playing with various howitzers, like the Vidar or Pzh 2000, I can be confident that by firing at a specific area of a specific tank, I’m guaranteed to destroy it. Returning to the T58, it has no chance of surviving an enemy counterattack if they can’t destroy it with the first shot. And believe me, you’ll get killed in return very often. The T58 has no composite armor; it’s a tank from the post-war period, when composite or ERA was unthinkable. Most shells will send it flying back to the hangar on the first hit, since even an inexperienced player would think to hit the fighting compartment through its massive turret.
P.S. If you want to evaluate how the T58 will perform at 8.3, try the M551, try using its HEAT rounds, and you’ll get a good idea of how often enemies survive hits. The only difference is that the M551 offers an extremely long reload time and decent mobility.
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Pre war? What war? That comment makes 0 sense.
All those 8.0 / 8.3 tanks don’t load as fast as 2.6 secs.
Problem with it having 155mm heat, is it’s over pressure even on non kill hits, will over pressure and kill a tank.
Meaning it’s very skill less, and with even a semi decent player will be vastly OP.
Funny you mention that. The m60A2? The starship also has the same cannon. I absolutely love that tank with its Heat, it’s great! One of my favorite American vehicles with ease.
Like the T58, the M60a2 also has very trolly armor where many shots should pen but do not.
Except the load time on the m60a2 is fast higher than 2.6 seconds.
We aren’t asking the right questions people it gets a 155mm aphe shell with 199mm pen this will be a true monster with a 2sec reload and that kind of one shot potential it will be a truly monstrous beast
Ha, it’s funny how hard it is to figure out which war the T58 was created after. Too bad you don’t want to argue. But I’ll continue.
Regarding the T58’s reload time: did I say anything against it? Of course, 2.6 seconds or even 3.6 seconds, as originally stated, is complete nonsense. But most French drum-loading tanks also have their reload times reduced to reasonable values for balance reasons. So why did the developers decide to do this here? I don’t know.
The M60A2? Well, I suppose at least its stabilizer and very durable turret save it. Why did I compare it specifically to the M551? Because the Starship is protected not only by the amount of armor and the turret shape, but also by the crew positioning. Let’s not forget the laser rangefinder, since the M551 doesn’t have one, and you have to fire without one. So, the situation will be practically the same as with the M551. The T58’s shell ballistics may not be that bad, but again, the vast majority of players are already having trouble zeroing in at ranges of 600+ meters. Considering that the T58 will only have a standard rangefinder and not a laser one, we’re looking at a rather dubious tank that’s either sitting still or waiting for its victims. Is it worthy of a BR of 8.3 in this configuration? I don’t think so. Add to that the huge turret, which can be penetrated without any discomfort for anyone who doesn’t play this tank. To compare the T58 to a similar vehicle with the same BR, since you mentioned it:
M60A2:
Has a solid turret and excellent crew positioning.
Laser rangefinder.
Good transmission speed for a standard M60, which it easily matches.
The T58 lacks all of the above. The M60A2’s problems can be discussed another time, as it’s far from ideal for this battle rating, but all of the above truly saves it. The T58, however, has none of these advantages. Its only advantage is its reload speed. That’s all.
I’m not arguing, im merely stating facts the vehicle is in fact OP. and needs massive br changes if it’s coming into the game as is imagine if it was Russian? The forums would quite literally be on fire.
It’s also weird you’re not specifying which war you’re referring to.
The closest counter part year wise, is the obj.279. They are roughly 10 months apart.
to answer why the developers keep giving USA tank their true reload is due to the low player skill of that nation
lol. Solid turret armor…? On the starship… what reality are you in?
Both the m60a2 and m103 have trolly af hulls.
And the m60 mobility is meh, not bad not good. M103 is only slightly slower, so not really a difference.
M60a2 has a stab and LRF
T58 has what, 3x the reload speed at least? Prob more velocity too given the barrel length.
