Ayyy, let’s go
2.6 second reload:
Same APHE round from T30 added:
Stereoscopic rangefinder:
They also fixed the HESH round velocity as well.
Thank you all for the bug reports and historical documentation for the T58, it’s looking really good now.
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It looks like it can whoop IS-7’s butt
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Seems like 9.0 / 9.3 material with ease.
Or USA favoritism
Is this gun longer then the gun on the t30 tho if so the velocity would be better and therefore have more pen with its aphe
About all I can find about the gun is this:
“Originally, it was planned to utilize the 155mm Gun T80. This proved unnecessary as the chosen ammunition for the gun was of the chemical type and did not require the high-velocity granted by the T80. Designers instead opted for a lighter weight version of the lower velocity 155mm Gun T7, the gun developed for the Heavy Tank T30. Firing HEAT through this gun, the maximum armor that could be penetrated (angled at 0 degrees) was 16 inches (406mm).”
I assume that it’s a lower chamber pressure by using either less or slower burning propellent then the T-30s t-7 gun.
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how tf would you justify an unstabilized tank at 9.3 with no real armor, thermals, darts and 35kph max speed?
tbh i would much rather have a lower reload speed at a lower br than what we got
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8.3 would be justified for a 6 sec load time.
Christ, look at its nearest competitors.
The IS-7 and T-10M both of which are 8.3
Neither load faster than 10 seconds.
Both have terrible armor for their br.
Both have terrible gun laying.
One is a 130mm, the other a 122mm.
And both have worse mobility than pretty much every other 8.3
Granted only the T-10M has a stab.
It’s a 155mm
T58s biggest con is the lack of speed and no stab. (Now it’s 2.6 secs)
It has the fastest reload for anything over 76mm
It has ridiculous shells that will kill even on non pens.
It has great turret traverse.
It has very trolly armor that is very likely to shot trap.
Yeah bare minimum 9.0
This is just pure American bias, I don’t see how everyone is okay with it.
I myself am going to buy it if it stays that br, and use it for a couple weeks, it’s a US tank so it’ll be nerfed in 1-2 business years.
This has to be the most egregiously broken vehicle, rivaling the Turm III which also needs to go up in BR.
yeah naw, its very easily disabled/killed by heat
not really, their armor works VERY well in downtiers against full caliber ap and aphe, which is not the case for the t58
dont forget that the t58 only has a 6 round ammo rack with agonizingly slow replenishment rate
Anything from 7.3 - 9.0 is easily dispatched by heat.
Their armor really works well against AP and APHE yes.
The T-58 will be susceptible to some rounds yes, but is in the same boat as those other heavies. heat being its worst enemy.
The T-10m’s big thing is a stab, and APDS 122mm. But it reloads very slowly.
The IS-7 has a 10 sec load time for the first 6 shells, but suffers worse pen.
People complained about the fox, xm800 etc. why? Because if they get on a flank, they can decimate a whole team.
The T58 is no different, it’s slower sure, but 600 gram HE mass APHE and a 2.6 sec load time… I can already imagine all the flanks occurring and a whole team is gone.
It’s even worse that it’s a premium.
People will flock to this like they did the A-10
- off topic, but if the USA tanks get their true reloads, and others aren’t… that’s biased, which is taking a side.
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i can already imagine this thing meeting a flanking t55 and getting knocked out
tbh i never used apds on it, aphe was always the better choice for me
does it shatter? or is it the older shoddy apds
Lol u play t10m with apds when you could use 295mm aphe that oneshot everythink?
T58 is a hard cooky to judge.
Its not fast
Its very big
Its ammo flies slow and will be relatively hard to aim
Heat can be a pain in the arse at times, especually on maps with fences and stuff or just in general and the aphe is meh.
It will face darts, stabi and laserrangefinder that can amd will shred it to pieces at 1300 meter while the heat is in the air for 2 seconds
But against other no stabi aphe slingers it will have some armor and if you get within reasonable range you can shred whole teams to pieces with that gun and reload.
But lets face it, a raketenautomat can do that to in theory… so will it be good at 8.3? I dont think so. As 9.3 is still a main BR u will get sucket into that a ton. And 7.3 is not really a br people play a lot u get usually atleast the france autoloaders at 7.7.
So i guess it can have good matches but will suck pretty bad for the average match. And the only -8 degree gun depression + a swing turred where the gun is placed quite low will make it very easy to hit in the turred.
But i already know that i will hate every player with that thing, cus people are braindead and against a braindead yolo rusher with some luck u will miss you first shot and then he has 3-5 shots free to kill you justright before a teammate swipes him away as he pushed to far.
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I don’t understand why I’m paying for a tank that’s currently unsuitable for the T54E1. I bought a tank that should have a Battle Rating of 8.0. Why was it moved to 8.3 because of whining about it being “unrealistic”? What difference does a 2.6-second reload time make? Do you understand that changing the reload time and simultaneously moving it to a higher Battle Rating are completely unrelated changes based on priority? I don’t care if it’s 3 seconds, 4 seconds, or 5 seconds—I want to see this tank paired with the T54E1, that’s what I’m paying for. So why are some disgruntled people once again writing, “Its reload time was actually 2.6 seconds, which makes it unrealistic.” Are you satisfied? A setup that was potentially comfortable for me has been ruined because of yet another “inconsistency” with reality.
I mean, it would have been better to keep its reload time at 3.3-3.6 seconds from the start, but leave it at 8.0 BR. 8.3 is too high for it. The very edge is 8.0, where at least it doesn’t encounter stabilized vehicles with 9.3.
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Massive difference when everyone else is at around 8 seconds
I’ll never understand people who rally for vehicles to get massive buffs like a 2.6 second firerate, but aren’t willing to accept the higher BR those buffs bring
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If you’d read my previous posts, you’d have seen me say there’s no difference between 2.6 and 3.6 seconds, because even 3.6 seconds is incredibly fast, especially considering that many people have significantly longer reload times. Again, I’m not ready to accept a BR increase just because they added another shell and reduced the reload time. So, in your opinion, in its current state, it deserves 8.3? That’s nonsense.
Let them make the reload 3.6 seconds, as it was originally, but return it to 8.0.
Its getting 2.6s because that’s its reload
But even with 3.6, still nutty, likely still at 8.3
For game balance, it would be better to reduce the reload time to 5 seconds, but keep it at 8.0. Considering the caliber and the number of rounds in the magazine, a reload time of 2.6 seconds seems too odd. While it was certainly realistic, it doesn’t deserve a combat rating of 8.3 based on this stat alone. Therefore, the reload time should be significantly reduced, but still retained at BR 8.0.
Well it is a premium, its going to be whatever gets US players to open their wallets
Every bit is a big difference. The fuji has 4 sec remoad while all others have 5 or 6. And just because this 1 sec its really crazy better even with the worst performing dart.
So coming from 6.7, 7.1 or even 8+ sec reload down to 2.6 is really crazy.
And if ure pissed your preordered tank got changed… well then u play the wrong game, gaijin do that all the time. Wich is not the right think to do and someone should bring that up in front of court but thats what they are getting away with for some reason.
And for balance they should have never bring that tank into the game… same as helis, modern cas, or laser rangefinder that adjust ypur gun automaticly or even making just more and more vehicles that cost more and more xp without reducing the xp cost, increasing the time you need to spend to get inot top tier more and more and more… but they did anyways.
Or people who demand nerfs to a vehicle, and then are shocked to see it go down in BR. Incomprehensible to me.
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