According to the interwebs, anything self loading, that is rapid firing, and over 20mms, is considered an “auto cannon”
Vcc is automatic, with a 2.0 sec reload. And is a 60mm. Seems to fit the bill
408mm pen heat cannot reliably pen leo 2, t72 or any composite armored tank for that matter. stock heat is cancer at those br’s.
the ap(he) shell would only have 179mm pen, the same shell as on the T30.
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It won’t be stock. It’s a premium. Heat is very good. I’ve killed a T90A firing through its ERA panels on the Side, with a HeatFS round from a Turm III on a bad angle.
So lol, heat isn’t all that bad.
and ive killed a t-80 bmv with a m22. should m22 go to 12.0??
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Is it auto loaded with 408mm pen ?
No?
Great comparison btw. You just want to have a seal club tank, you can admit it willfully and nobody with judge you.
HEAT-FS round, not HEAT round from a HEAT firing tank. They are coded differently, HEAT-FS has way better post pen effect (dont try using a French HEAT as an example, they use the HEAT-FS code).
HEAT rounds vs a T90 would likely do a lot less. Also a Turm III is massively more mobile, has a stabilizer too so you could do a side shot. The T58 is not mobile, is the size of a barn and loud, its very unlikely you will outflank a T90 unless you try to rush on hopium for a camping spot on a city map or something and just shoot down a corridor.
edit: though I will say that the HE effect of the HEAT for the T58 has a lot of testing to be done, it could be a funi SPG moment vehicle.
hstvl & rdfl and even the SAV 20.12.48 all have autocannons btw.
but why does that matter anyway? its not like the title autocannon magically makes the tank worse.
Created a report on the HESH shell earlier, right now it’s a copy and paste of M123 from the M728 CEV with just the calibre changed, I found a source that would hopefully make it more accurate, I have 2 other reports on the ammo stowage and turret horizontal traverse speeds that have been accepted, but this one hasn’t been yet. Here’s the link:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vaOw62p7PW5w
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It’s funny because it should be the other way around.
Spin stabilized HEAT has low penetration but high post pen effect due to spraying the HEAT jet like a shotgun.
HEAT-FS doesn’t nearly spin as fast, so the jet is more concentrated.
It can pen more armor but it should basically just create a very narrow damage cone.
Of course with realistic post pen damage HEAT-FS would be as bad as WW2 APCR, and players would riot, since Gaijin forces you to have stock HEAT-FS instead of darts.
But a lot of things are tailored for the game.
APCR → Expensive, rare, high velocity, high penetration → Trash
APHE → Unreliable, unnecessary, often shattered → God like shell
Mineshell → Poor ballistics, limited range, maximum structural damage → Mediocre
Regular Explosive shell → Gold standard
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The HEAT for the M-51 is also incredibly broken. So therefore I believe HEAT is better than what is being led on.
Low tier heat may be crap though.
M51 uses French 105, aka French HEAT, aka the over-designed ball bearings HEAT round with HEAT-FS coding IIRC.
From multiple trials with the T58, sometimes it does amazing, other times its like firing a panzer IV short barrel where it doesnt go through the first guy even if you hit the turret/hull xD
Currently I am of the belief that the HEAT is situationally better then an AMX 50 Sir Biased gun vs enemies with higher armour levels (like a Maus, or possibly IS7 kind of deal, the most heavily armoured and very rare targets), however post pen or vsing most targets in the bracket, the 50 Bias is potentially a better pick for post pen and the giga autoloader.
edito: Though the T58 could turn out to be the bane of light rush spams, the HEAT and HESH HE filler effects might clap them to the hanger very nicely.
It’s going to be the Bain of pretty much everything. Even bad hits will kill light tanks. Decent hits will kill mediums, then heavy tank is just a good placement of shot, even if you mess it up, your 80% likely to get another round off before they fire & or turn their turret to fire.
408mm pen will go through pretty much everything up to 9.0
God forbid you get a full downtier to 7.0, then your unstoppable, unless you make enough mistakes.
That’s the thing. Unless you make grievous mistakes, you’re untouchable unless you get revenge bombed. Even the m103 is somewhat tanky towards bombs. It’s no maus or Obj.279 but it still eats 500 pbs reliably.
I ain’t bothering with dev server. I’m preordering this thing and hoping for the best. Bring it.
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The lion does not concern himself etc etc
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Do you know if the M103’s lower hull armor (frontally) is correct? Wasn’t the whole vehicle designed to resist long 88 mm / long 90 mm ammo with an effective thickness of 254 mm, making it frontally immune to those guns?
The lower front armor should be equivalent to 4.5 in (114.3mm) @ 50° resulting in a line of sight (LOS) thickness of 177.82mm.
The 114.3mm @ 50° armor section on the lower front plate is already immune to the long 8,8cm point in blank, but the 127mm @ 41° armor section is vulnerable and incorrect.
Currently the line of sight thickness of the 127mm @ 41° armor section on the lower plate is 167mm. The armor thickness of this area should be buffed to 5.28 in or 134.2mm, resulting in a line of sight (LOS) thickness of 177.82mm (equivalent to 4.5 in @ 50°).
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FEED THE SNAIL!!!
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This area seems to be quite weak… the T54E1 has better armor in that area.
Protection against the 85mm BR-365:
According to Firepower: A History of the American Heavy Tank, the turret front armor should be equivalent to 5 in (127mm) @ 60° or 254mm LOS thickness.
DEVELOPMENT OF 155-MM GUN TANK, T58 states the following: Armor - same as the 120-mm gun tank, T43E1.
We know that the T43E1 turret armor should be equivalent to 5 in (127mm) @ 60° or 254mm LOS thickness, just like the upper front glacis.
GENERAL DESCRIPTION AND BRIEF OPERATING AND ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS 155-MM GUN TANK T58 page 4 provides a normal thickness value of 6 in. (152.4mm) for the turret armor, but does not specify the location.
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This tank looks like it’d be a lot of fun to play, but the 8.0 BR is really the killer.
I’d rather they nerf its fire rate and drop its BR down to the 7.3 range.
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8.0 … wallet closed.