It has HEAT and HESH, the other ammunition are options found on other autoloading vehicles and the point is to suggest that BESH isnt the problem you are making it out to be when all other ammunition choices are superior when you get to 105 and above (excluding RR which tend to not have the artificially reduced HESH pen stats).
105mm hesh and heatfs has rarely failed me. A 155mm will rarely fail me.
What other auto loading tanks are you referring to? The T54E1?
France and Sweden both have autoloaders using other types of ammunition completely fine, superior in fact to HESH type ammo more often then not.
What are you firing your HESH at? Because really I think you are the only person I have seen in a couple years dare to claim HESH would make a tank OP lol. Anything you fire a 105+ hesh at, you are better off using a HEAT round, vs a light sure, HESH might be better, vs anything bigger? APDS it if no HEAT.
Yeah that document was the only one I found on the T57, but I also found the same document on the T58 (also on the suggestion page) as well which was also unfinished. Anyways, if you find a document for the T57 like you did for the T58, please share it, that would be a great find as it was supposedly built.
Also, what’s the armor on the turret like for the T58? I’ve seen some photos and models on reddit, with the thick bottom parts being 203 mm, but I’m interested in the part beneath the gun, will that be a big weakspot?
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I started using HESH on my brit tanks on thr 120s from chieftain up about 3 months ago, now i carry it on almost every single tank that has it, just 2 rounds.
Works i reckon about 70 percent of tbe time.
33kmph is slow? Its.not a fast tank
Edit your remarks about the 279 in comparisson to this tank are wild, if anything the IS7 is more.comparable and even then is still miles better
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35 kph max, 8 backwards
its quite slow, alright for a heavy tank but by no means is it mobile or fast
meanwhile 279:
lmao
aint no way is it getting its historical reload
hull gets lolpenned by any heat
one has more armor, better mobility, OHK meganuke APHE, a 2 plane stabilizer, an ammo rack that gets you a nuke before you run out…
the other one has… HEAT and HE xd lmao
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Yeah everyone forgets reload is a balancing aspect in WT, a lot of autoloading tanks are way slower then their IRL counterparts (I think the only ones which are not are the Russian MBTs?)
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those have quite a variable firerate IRL, it ranges from about 6 seconds to more than 10, depends on type of shell used and its position in the carousel
Except the hstvl got its historical reload when it really didn’t need it.
T-64A
all T-72s, T-80B, and T-90s are correct.
But,
T-64B, T-80U, T-80BVM, UM2, UD, UD-1, UE-1, etc are all incorrect.
There are literal videos of it being loaded as quick as 3.78 secs.
They are locked at 6.0 secs to ensure longevity and reliability, but realistically can be loaded far faster.
Cyclogram data on the MZ loader which shows a 6 sec load time:
In this video ^ count the time it takes to pick up the shell, not to rotate the loader.
No I don’t have the true document, @aDSD has posted it previously.
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well explained
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Thank you kind sir.
Can’t take anyone seriously who would think this thing will come close to 279 in capability.
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We shall see. Only time will tell
hey this guy has some takes that are far out there, but hes got a good point about lots of other things
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Yeah, the first tanks are the ones I was thinking of overall and all belong to Russia so fits there, but generally speaking all autoloaders are slower then their IRL counterpart apart from a select few which tend to be Russian because it is balanced still (I should have worded better I know)
As I usually say on the topic though I dont think I have to yourself, be careful and dont trust videos for loading anything on their own, depending on when and how it was recorded, converted, compressed and decompressed the timings can be manipulated and that is before you even touch on people doing it maliciously to win arguments. If the video matches data you have thats solid its good, but the data is really enough in and of itself at that point imo (or should be) but it helps. The issue of course is that even with a minor level of time it can mean a relatively large change % wise.
(note I dont say this simply because Russian, I have to repeatedly tell people to knock it off for a 20 pounder centurion firing and also a Vickers mk1/Vijayanta firing trial that were recorded using iirc 24 frame cameras that have been converted to modern systems which means they speed up like 15% or so because less frames = has to play faster and people dont know this)
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Haven’t played 279 too much this year as I’ve been busy with other things, but sitting on 4.9 KDR in it for the year thus far. I welcome this yank tank to be a beast as well, but I just don’t see it. I’m not fussed either way. If it’s a beast, we can pair it with XM800T, if it’s 7.7 we’ll have T114 and others. Will be good.
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Given the video is 9 years old, and given the MZ tests are usually as far as I’ve found conducted by loading one APFSDS, HE, etc. so they load the next shell over.
But often times (not saying you were) but people assume the load time is correct in it being 6.5 secs.
Even though all the data says 6.0 seconds, because as I said it is locked to 6.0 seconds to ensure reliability & longevity, somewhere a long longgg time ago, I read that the loader was capable of going 3000 rounds before needing repairs.
But from what I’ve read from that T-80 post and a few other places, it depends on how you load the carousel loader.
The tests were conducted as:
APFSDS, APFSDS, APFSDS, etc you get the idea.
Or
APFSDS, HE, APFSDS, HE
Or
APFSDS, HEAT, HE, APFSDS, HEAT, HE
During the test it was concluded to be most effective to load every other, but crews were known to load the tank in various ways. Such as 33% APFSDS all in a row, then 33% HE, and the last being whatever.
Now, given the fact the loader takes 0.31 secs to rotate per shell, if you load consecutive APFSDS and need to load say an HE, that’s 0.31 secs for say, 4 shells, which is 1.24 secs.
But, if you load the next shell and it’s of the same type, and the loader is set to auto, it should load as quick as 3.78~ secs
That’s very complicated of course, and may be annoying for the game… but it’s all realistic, granted, In game ammo types don’t change in the rack.
All this to add up, at the br the MZ loaders are, they aren’t as competitive as say an abrams with a gap of 1.5 secs load time.
My KDr in my Tiger west is getting up there lol
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