Now France has the same amount of Leopard 2s as they have Leclers.
Seems reasonable.
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yea, it has the same decal on the right mudflap. But Gaijin still can’t call it “LES” since only the drivertraining tanks keep that decal and don’t carry their turret.
So if it doesn’t carry the “LES” badge (which is only used for drivertraining) and has a turret, then it isn’t a “LES”.
They could better call this the “Leopard 2A4NL RTS” then
Does it get the DM33 as all Leopard 2A4 should have?
Quite surprised that there’s going to be a 43 MECHBRIG decal especially /9when the tank is french and not german), when in 2016, 17th of March the 43rd MECHBRIG has become a part of the 1st Panzer Division. Die 1. Panzerdivision Bundeswehr and the 414 Tank batallion is now subordinate to the 43rd MECHBRIG
Therefore my question arises is the decal going to be universal, or limited to french usage like the Dutch airforce insignia?
Due to the close relations with germany and the netherlands 43rd Mechbrig and 414 Pantserbatallion I’d be a tad bit disappointed if it wasn’t.
That was indeed in 2016, when they didn’t use 2A4NL anymore. It’s also only seen on Dutch vehicles (all of which are in the French TT).
Yet the 43rd mechbrig did exist, hence the question and disappointment it isn’t really added to germany, before that they were also in pretty close relation sometimes having exercises together already from what I recall atleast
If I saw that correctly, then NL sold pretty much all Leopard 2s by 2011 except 16 Leo 2A6(?).
The 43rd was integrated into the 1. PzDiv in 2016, so they are “historically accurate”
Personally I’d rather have a separate Benelux (considering the numerous military ties between Belgium and the Netherlands) situation, but it would indeed be great should we be able to use the 43rd decal also on german vehicles, like the PzH2000.
Recently, we bought new 2A8s I believe, I still believe the dutch leo’s should’ve been added to germany personally but I doubt it’s going to change unfortunately.
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That would probably be a more ideal situation, as we do work together often as-well
They sold all of them (mostly to finland and Canada), and then started leasing German Leo 2A6’s.
The 43rd decal was never seen on those leased leopards, but instead on Dutch Boxers, CV90’s and PzH2000’s I believe.
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Additionally, aside from NATO exercises, I don’t believe we do a whole lot with France, I’m pretty sure that’s mainly the Belgians (Correct me if I’m wrong @Thomas_Belgium I’m assuming you’re Belgian here due to the username)
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Indeed, the Dutch-Belgian(-Luxembourghish) connection is extremely strong (integrated or longstanding cooperations in almost all fields), but Franco-Belgian coop is mostly a recent thing, of which the Dutch only take part with on occasion.
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Therefore it begs the question whether the dutch should’ve been added to france, as I can understand the belgians from recent diplomatic ties, but not the dutch really as we do more with the germans.
Or a seperate BeNeLux tree
Thank you for confirming here by the way.
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The problem isn’t with recent years, but has more to do with early-cold war, and especially the second World war. Under which, understandibly, dutch vehicles in the german tech tree would stir up a lot of trouble.
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It would indeed, however we must not forget the existance of the NSB, the collaborators or the Dutch regiment with the german “elite” troops, that travelled far behind them in reality, that existed, I’m sure those used some german vehicles as-well.
The cold war however I see no problems with as we had an F104 if I recal correctly, we also had a meteor and (maybe) an f86 but I am not sure about the last mentioned. I am 100% sure about the F104 and meteor though.
Check out the Benelux suggestions on the forum ;) :
They have a lot of the more unique or fitting Dutch and Belgian planes.
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You’ve just lead me to a gem and I love it.
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I hope that dutch tank will have dutch crew voice lines
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