I guess I get irritated with with certain aircraft like anyone else. China’s premium Su-30 gets R-77’s and Pl-12’s at 13.3. The other aircraft with the pl-12s are 13.7. (J10a, J11b, J10c). The Kfir c.10 got bumped up in BR to 13.3 with only four Derby missiles. Now you have a premium f14 that’s coming in with subpar missiles that’s going to be tore up by Russian Jets with better missiles. The way the f-14 is set up is for long range bvr . The aim 54c is not a good mid or close range missile . Now maybe they’re changing that but we’ll have to see . So you’ll have to use aim 7ms against other aircraft with aim 120s, pl-12s, r-77s, etc …The playground is just not equal. I’m not talking about low tier aircraft or tanks. I’m talking about missile slingers at 13 and above battle rating. And the only complaint about tanks I have is the bmpt 72. As for China, they have no real top-tier competitive aircraft. Maybe the f-16v will change that, but in my opinion the j10c and j15t are terrible aircraft. Especially in the current meta. The Nerf to the pl-12s killed off China’s top-tier aircraft yet the r77-1 is the best? The pl12 at 13.3 is dangerous but at 14.3 it’s crap. I wish they would just either give all aircraft what they were actually armed with or throw all the unicorn s*** for all the nations in. Not just Russia. Israel’s best aircraft is an F-16C or F-15 which both get dominated by typhoons, rafales, Su-30s… And I’m speaking only about their aircraft cuz I have not played their ground lineup.
Skill issue
You’ve lost me mate, you were talking about ground as well.
Yes we all want the Su30 to be moved up to 13.7 as well. as it makes no sense where it is right now.
the J10A and j11B J10C are not bad for their BRs though.
Kfir C.10 got bumped up cause it was absolutely punishing the lower BRs xd
I’ve got one and love it, I use it as CAP for my isreali groun dtree.
The F14 as I said already is coming out in a sorry state man, we’re on the same page don’t worry.
even with the changes it may not be that good at all.
of course it is not fair mate, same as you’ve got F18s at 12.3 fighting mig21s which have no radar missiles that can’t be just turned out of.
the F14D should definitely get AIm7Ps or even 120s to make it competitive.
China doesn’t have top tier competitive air craft? J15T and J10C would like to talk, they’re 14.3 and 14.7 and are competitive.
in your opinion mate.
it’s not crap at 14.3 as far as I’ve seen,
Also agreed i wish they would stop giving random weapon systems to random planes.
Isreal I’m still working on their air but I’ve done alright at 12.3 - 13.3 with the Netz premium VS the su30 spam.
not ideal but at all.
funny nobody can point out where that happened in the data mines (it didn’t you’re just not launching them correctly)
yet you keep responding to comments not even directed at you, let it go lil bro it wasn’t rigged, as for your other comment, it’s common all though the western world, not my fault you’re not a part of it.
The Netz (mod) should get its Derby missiles like so many wanted. I’m ok with it being moved up.
As for the F-14D airframe would do just fine at 13.3br provided it is given a decent loadout. The IRAF F-14 is proof of this.
Let’s not forget the F2 ADTW sits at 13.0br.
This is all just my opinion.
I (obviously) think we need a tech tree F-14D
And btw the F2 ADTW players are playing them bad tbh, they dont know they have Jdam/Er better optioms if you know how to use them and no just do Air to air things and more Air to Ground things because is likely the F-16 but with aesa at 13.0 is a good one.
I would argue it’s even great at air-to-air provided you don’t play it on a steam deck like I do 90% of the time.
It’s common there so you’re just playing ignorant, especially in the uk, as for defyn he’s not a dataminer so that’s just conjecture buddy.
Whoever made those didn’t really try to hide them lol.
What is this about
F14D being a pretty DOA addition i think
But it wont be
it’s not gonna be that good mate tbh.
With AIM-9M and reliable mid range Phoenixes its gonna be fine.
at what BR is it 13.3? the same BR the Su30MKK and such are floating around
13.0 i think but realistically itll play 13.3 all the time. So itll just be sacrificed on the prem SU30 altar like all the high tier air premiums.
I mean it’s likely going to get hammered, there are so many carriers of ARHs in tbos areas
As to why the C variant isn’t on all F-14’s, F-14A is supposed to literally be the earliest iteration of the aircraft before they started putting GE engines on some of them. Also, that is one of their ‘balance’ things to have one at a lower BR than the other. That one makes sense - unlike the F-111A with AIM-9B’s while the F-105 has AIM-9E’s.
Technically speaking - yes, 65-GR (The F-14A that fired the test AMRAAM’s) has a greater reason in that it did fire the missile - albeit it fired test versions prior to the A model entering service. So you’d have to just say it has the AIM-120A.
That said - the AIM-120 was specifically designed to take the slot AIM-7’s did on aircraft, even things like the F-4 Phantoms that were still around initially although by the time they were ready only German F-4’s were still operating and carried them. Whatever aircraft it was on just needed the appropriate radar basically, and on the provisions list for armaments of the F-14D in available documents does list AMRAAM’s, namely the A model, in which all the plane needed was the software patch that was funded, and then the money moved elsewhere.
So you have an F-14A that may have never actually fired a production missile, maybe something close to it, but did fire ones in testing, and a combat ready model that was all setup and primed to carry production AMRAAM’s once it got a patch, and then they changed their minds putting the patch in. And that’s before you get in to some of the other mess - like the photo of the F-14 with the dual AMRAAM rack on the wing at which point I don’t know if anyone has confirmed what model of F-14 that is, an A - possibly 65-GR, or a D model showing off 'yeah, we can put at least an extra couple AMRAAM’s on them.
Me personally, at this point, with the way Gaijin’s standards are, even staying in the US tree with the F-15C GE being in the tree not even discussing the Russian tech tree stuff - both are honestly about equal in reason to exist in game. Right now, I know in terms of the Arcade BR’s the line with the F-14 goes 12.3 (F/A-18A/F-14A), 12.7 (F-14B), 14 (F/A-18C late), 14.3 (F/A-18E), depending on how much 9M’s and any changes to the 54C go in the next patch may change how that looks - but as is, that line lacks 13.0, 13.3, and 13.7. F-14A-65-GR with 6x AIM-120A’s, as it is a one off plane and all, makes sense as a squadron vehicle at 13.0 - carrying 6x AMRAAM’s, but having far worse IR and SARH than the F-14B, maybe only on par with the current in-game F-14A (Early). Which there are a number of planes in 13.0 with ARH including the MiG-29 in Japan’s tree. The improvements to an F-14D with them, could easily be 13.3 material to square against the Su-30 premiums, and a later variant, with dual racks and anything from 120A through C-series AIM-120’s would fit at 13.7, both of those F-14D’s in the tech tree. Which - would be wholly consistent with Gaijin’s tendency to put things that were planned or the like but maybe not followed through all the way on - like the F-15C GE, as tech tree planes, and filling gaps where planes currently don’t exist - for the F-15 line the GE acts as a 14.3 cap, where as the F-14D’s with AMRAAM’s fill the gap between 12.7 and 14.0 in that line.
About this one , i see no glove vane at all (not even patched) and from the little i gathered reading around that was a 14D , with mock ups , for the Super Tomcat 21 proposal for upgrade that didn’t happened ever. Nor any prototype or anything.
That was just to showcase that the platform can carry more AMRAAMs if upgraded, in a ST21 project.