TOW is far better than it was and id hope they will tweak it further to add this vehicle, although with how massive the (DESERVED) hate for the XM800T is I doubt it will be added ever, if its a major nation vehicle addition it tends to be less awful nowadays unless its also going to certain minor nations too
using it as an example of how many missiles you can cram into a xm800t sized hull
There’s is no deserved hate for the XM800T. The people hating on the XM800T are just toxic that America got the best vehicle in a certain class (for the first time).
Yeah so it is not really worth 9.3
I feel you are a bit biased to the fox, you hate on XM800T so much because it is an effective counter. It’s like a German heavy tank player whining about US 90mm or Soviet 122
most my deaths to xm800 arent even in a fox, but centurions and conqueror
no no fox needed a counterparts thats very obvious, the thing was nuts at 6.7 from trash german mains and while it fitted 7.7 needed real peers to balance books (less so now its too high in BR and turret is gimped), AML 20 and the Urutu things like that. xm800t just isn’t what it should have been its replacement as it is superior in every way but top speed and armour. The ROF beats out overall penetration as both are penning the same things 90% of the time and smg firerates win in such situations.
the BR and way XM800T was added strongly feels like it was added only to make the fox obsolete. giving it foreign ammo (which was technically compatible but never tested) and withholding the LRF to have it lower, in direct competition with fox. Fox in its current state is good for 7.7 and XM800T needs to get its LRF and move to 8.7, will still see each other all the time but there’s a solid partition which closer in capability scout cars can fill for other trees.
Do still think its raw speed will make up for only I TOW compared to wiesel. ammo count is rarely a concern in such vehicles as they all tend to die from revenge cas fast.
extremely fast rat that can fire accurately on the move is going to be hated no matter, its a fox with most the shortcomings remedied after all.
lmao. Hard to find a class where America hasn’t got a close to best or the best vehicle.
light tanks XM800T of course
mediums not so much, but the first sherman being a lower BR than its identical peer in the British tree makes it really good.
Heavies, Jumbos and the T1 heavy family are very solid contenders, T34/29 are very good but will say the tiger 2 is the best heavy in game easily (ignore awful players)
prop fighters, spitfire LF mkIXc (its in the UK, USA and USSR trees as the premium spit)
early jets is just dominated by American and soviet stuff
early-mid missile jets, what isn’t there to pick that will do decent once you learn it
top tier jets Hornets, F15 F16, the tomcat still does decently despite gaijin smiting it to hell for almost killing top tier air.
american naval is pretty solid too.
None of this stuff is solely in the US tree. Best F-15 was Japanese and now it’s arguably the Israeli one. Best F-16 wasn’t in the US and there are arguments it’s still that way. Hornet doesn’t do all that much.
Tomcat was insane on launch, granted, but quickly faded away with tons of issues and missing features (I understand this is not specific to the tomcat).
American naval is good for destroyers but cooked for battleships.
And for XM800, having such small amounts of TOW ammo really does matter as with such a small target, you can evade revenge CAS. And it’s not like they are going to get guided CAS going very quickly at 9.3
japanese and israeli pilots are also on average a hell of a lot better than American mains making the gap far larger. there’s still a reason why basically everyone plays top tier USA over anyone else still
I do have to think the overall meta with the hornet is still to fully settle to see whats going on with it, it really should have been added before typhoon and rafale to actually shine.
naval battleships are just sad, naval as a whole is
I wish this was true. it being American means you avoid a lot of the problematic CAS aircraft but you will still have german planes with big bombs suicide bombing you for daring to shoot at them and win.
Revenge cas kills me so often man its just tiring now.
suicide bombing doesn’t need guidance or ballistic computers
I’ll be frank, well, yes, the XM800T was/is OP.
I fail to see how a TOW, only one, would be OP. The missiles are already considered garbage, mix in the fact that it’s now 2 crew, and you need to expose at least one of them to fire.
Plus, missiles only vehicles in WT are either ok at best or just trash, so I think it’ll be fine at 8.7 to start with.
I do agree with the worries of the unnamed tank, will have to see how Gaijin added them.
Else, I’m in agreement with the other veschlies I’ve seen in this thread (I believe).
But think of it like this, if you are moving around like the way you say would be meta for it, then you have better chances of escaping the sight of revenge CAS that’s going to your killcam location. However after that, you need more ammo.
But if you play in a way to conserve ammo and replenish it by going to capture points, you make yourself an easy, fixed target for enemy CAS.
So no matter what you will always need more ammo if you live, so 9.3 is pretty extreme
As for skill gap, sure if that’s what you think, but I am talking about the vehicles themselves
I’m kind of worried about the Ripsaw though, I mean 3.5 second 0-60? On a TRACKED vehicle resistant to Russian .50 AP? It sounds really fun but might be balance nightmare
Isn’t the Ripsaw the crewless tank? I said I was in full agreement with the worries about it…
Oh I thought you meant you fully agree with it being added.
As for being crewless, it doesn’t really matter since they can make ammo, critical electronics, power supply, and communications equipment act as kill conditions
Still not the best medium tank. Idk why the Sherman II is higher than the M4A1, but the Cromwell V is leagues better than the M4.
Again, America doesn’t have the best vehicle in even one of the categories. The F-80A-5 is extremely powerful, but it’s still not as good as Russia’s early jets.
The Tomcat is sad, and F-15, F-16, and F-18 aren’t U.S exclusive.
Tomcat was only OP when it was first added cuz it was a topgun cash grab, and those days are long gone.
Imo, most of the problematic CAS (e.g Yak-9K) isn’t even American.
If it’s given a grenade launcher instead of autocannon, then I think it will be just fine. Also, the armed variants will be considerably heavier although it will still likely be Warthunder’s fastest ground vehicle.
Yeah, having the 0-60 time of a relatively high performance car already makes it the fastest ground vehicle in game by far
actually very good point, a lot of revenge bombers arent that great at object permanence if you move a little bit. Ive unfortunately met a lot of SU9 mains to ruin matches as of late.
Cromwell V id say is on par as its lacking in armour and has the same (kinda) gun without APHE and trash armour, cromwell 1 however is absolutely that
the yak should be a lot higher but American fighters with huge bombs are a lot more braindead to play and get free case kills.
Ive probably had a better experience of yak9k than most as I’m a spitfire cas player and gain total air superiority pretty quick. I don’t think I’ve been killed by one either actually but I may be misremembering
xm800T never got tows (that would have been a different designation), the T95 is already in the game at 8.3 lol
There was a variant of the XM800T platform with TOW launchers built for testing and it still exists
Its more real than a lot of vehicles in WT so is game for addition
how would unmanned vehicles work thematically? If you get damaged you can’t repair unless by a manned teammate?
Its not the T though