Only if Italy receives Romanian/Spanish replacements at the time when Hungarian stuff gets hidden.
Also suggested Romanian/Spanish TT is far from ideal imo, it needs more work.
For example:
Lince remained at mock-up stage, so it’s better to get rid of it;
some vehicles are missing, like CA-95, Gepard-R, RN-94 OWS-25;
too much of unique/interesting/useful vehicles are hidden behind events/premium, while regular line is quite empty ;
Leopard 2E should be added in 2 variants, where the second one will represent “Tortuga” modification, MLI-84M1 can also be divided into “early” and “late”, one with M2T and another one with Spike. TR-85M1 can also be represented in more variants (M1, M1A and M1R);
TACAM capabilities are overestimated, they should be close to Su-76M in br, if not lower;
No need to place TACAMs, Mareşal or anything else into Italian TD imo, there is enough space for them in the main subtree line.
Btw I can share my drafts of theoretical Italian full Air and Ground TTs with Romania and Hungary, though also not ideal.
PS while a lack of heavy tank issue is solved by Romanian captured IS-2 (though still behind paywall), I doubt it can be added unless there is some photo of operational IS-2 in Romanian service and not just knocked out one.
Can we expand it to inlcude all of Eastern Europe? Or should the Balkans, Baltics, Ukraine and Belarus have their own (sub)tech tree. All I know is that I want this and also Bulgaria to be in the game.
I have always been in favor of the possible addition of the Visegrád TT, unfortunately, I believe this is not possible after the addition of the Hungarian sub-tree, if they were to change their minds about it, I believe the Spanish/Portuguese sub-tree would fit better in the Italian TT.
Spain could even work as its own tree (+ Portugal + Greece/Cyprus), have a suggestion pending for that rn.
But yes, @THEPolishThunder@zozo1944, the Spanish subtree needs work if you’re planning on making it more official:
Verdeja 75/40 is probably over-BRed. I haven’t yet found data on the cannon but overall the vehicle is worse than the SU-76 which is at 2.0
You have the Ford G917T Hotchkiss down as Spanish but it’s Romanian
San Carlos was a small scale model, never progressed further
M113 Cerberus has a dual Spike launcher, it cannot fit at 8.0. It also has third gen thermals, a LRF, APFSDS etc. 10.0 minimum.
AMX-30EM2 is roughly analogous to the AMX-30B2, why is it 0.7 BR over it? 2 prototypes also fitted ERA, could be added as a modification or a separate vehicle (like AMX-30B2/AMX-30B2 BRENUS)
VCI/C Pizarro would not fit at 10.0. Worse than the CV 9030FIN (9.3), would be around ~9.0
Lince was a mock-up.
M41E HCT-2 was a mock-up.
M41E Thune-Eureka was a mock-up.
Lots of other vehicles that could be added and a few other smaller BR changes necessary, but I won’t list them all
I would personally just make it all Romanian though. That way Spain’s full potential can be realised elsewhere.
Hello!
Thanks for your advices, i will implement them.
Form the missing vehicles i didn’t implemented the CA-95 because i don’t know if is should’ve folded it or not with the SIDAM, the romanian Gepard is there and i didn’t know about the RN’s existence.
The story about the IS-2 is something like that: “Romania captured a IS-2 but later it got destroyed”. When i searched photos about it i found one, but i’m not sure if that’s the romanian.
I would be happy if i can see your drafts about the TTs, I can implement some of your ideas too!
Hi again!
So about the Lince, gaijin did it once that added mock-up vehicles. Yes yes, in the past… But i think it can be added imo. What do you think?
I think it’s unlikely that they will add it, unless they change their view on incomplete stuff. There would be some chances if it was partially functional, like fully-built chassis and mock-up turret, though even in such case imo chances are low. Plus it isn’t something vital for the TT, so they would just skip it and copypaste 2A4.
I though it can be a good pack premium. Tbh most probably i will not remove it, later i will talk with the development team an we will make a common decision .
And i think that should be functional , and its unlikely that it wasn’t tested as a prototype.
Why this feels like it has everything but nothing at the same time?
Skiping the fact that some of those vehicles have questionable BRs and some of those vehicles were mockups, but wasn’t the Visegrad TT proposed alredy several times and now its more complecated due to fact that Hunagary is in Italy, and where are the planes?
Its like we’re running in circles with those things
The way Gaijin does it, they let you keep the vehicle in the tree you used to unlock it but they put it on the premium side (they wont make it a prem) and it becomes a hidden vehicle that will no longer be researchable for anyone who hadnt started researching it or purchased it. Some of us still have the Italian planes in the German tree from way back when before Italy was its own tree.
TLDR: It would be like the Maus. If you have it, you have it but it isnt in the tree anymore. You wont automatically get it in a new tech tree either.
It was only proposed once before on the forums, this is the second time doing it, none of the tech tree vehicles themselves are mock-ups the only ones you will find here are possible event/premium vehicles, and what are your issues with the BR’s?
lot of, I won’t get into detail’s cuz I alredy did that but for context:
Krab - i guess you meant on K9 chassis it plays really the same as Vidar in the game even if Krab has difrent breach and asist mechanism.
PFL261L - uses WW1 era 75mm gun with at max 67mm of pen at 500m also it was a AA version.
T-34-85M1/M2 - had 4 member crew istead of 5, uses difretn more powerful engine, M2 premusimble had a 1 plane stabilizer but couldn’t find any details or good source to it but even if its true its 6.0 its still T-34-85.
PT-16/17 - existed as technological demonstator its like an Abrams X or T-14 Armata, you may add it but gaijin may not
PT-91M2A1 - would play the same as T-72B3, also why did you not add PT-91M2A2?
M1A1 FEP - in gaijins thinking it would play like AIM, since it was its initail purpose to match the AIM variant
AMZ Bober with Spikes - only 4 missles in the luncher none in the storage
Danusia (Dana) - it does have autoloader - 8sec reload and it does have powerful HE 7.0 at least
other vehicles well…I mean if you really know what you putted in the tech tree you also know how true those vehicles are
Hello!
If you are talking about the 14TP, i can’t answer it because im not into polish vehicles. But the 44M Tas had 2 prototypes, and the intended armament was the 80mm this is why we have a event variant
