Poll to fix Harriers IR signature

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The Harriers (all of them) are getting some pretty big buffs this next update. This includes a good deal more thrust at higher speeds.

The Harriers have always suffered from a really high flare to thrust ratio meaning trying to flare off an IR missile has been significantly more difficult compared to other fighters.
Now with the Harriers getting even more thrust throughout the speed envelope flaring even the earliest IR missiles has become near impossible.

This is some footage taken of gameplay on the dev server.

Pre-flaring, flaring, than a hard evasive turn is not even enough to defeat the AIM9P (Flz Lwf 63/80).

To evade the AIM9L in basically any other aircraft all is needed it to pop a flare and pull an evasive turn.
In a Harrier you need to spam about 50% of your flares power down to 0 and pull and after all that there is still a chance you will get hit.

Harrier IR sig

In the real world there is documented cases of Harriers being so cold they can deny sidewinder acquisitions by just tilting a wing.

In the Falkland’s war a Sea Harrier was not even able to acquire lock on a Gr.3 Harrier frontally.

  • Fix IR Sig
  • Leave as is
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Compare this to a fully afterburning J-8 rear aspect against 2 AIM9L

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Does that also affects harrier IIs?

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Every Harrier in the game.

Will be worse for the American Harrier 2s as they have the most powerful engines.

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I just got killed by an AIM-9B

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Gaijin is aware that this is an issue, but have said that it is a limitation of the current system where greater thrust = greater IR signiture or something to that effect. It will probably be fixed in time as the systems are delevoped.

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I don’t have the patience to sift through the Rumors thread to find it to verify but I believe I saw mention of a potential fix relatively soon. I hope that’s true because I love the Harriers, and the Matador is just about the best grinder for Japan

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There is a known fix they implemented it on the F-117

The fix has been out since firebirds they just can not be bothered to do it to the harriers as not enough people are complaining.

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I have a feeling that is less of a fix and more of a special mechanic implemented on the F-117. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love them to fix it.

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Pretty sure it was confirmed by a tech mod that all they did was set a multiplier to the thrust to heat value.

Everything wrong with the harriers is easy to fix.

They just need to actually do it

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How is it fair when your missile is ineffective yet every missile is effective against you.

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Imagine if the harrier was like this in real life. You’d roast half the crew on your carrier every time you took off.

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Its a supernova

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It’s not a Harrier signature. It’s dumb RNG IR/IRCCM mechanic.

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Was this on the dev server?

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no

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Actually, the whole IR signature story should be revisited I think, seeing that some like the Harriers are unrealistically hot, others like F-5C (IIRC) are unrealistically cold…

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