I want compensation in terms of Research point of folder sepv2, give me my RP of folder sepv2 so i can Research next vehicle faster
Gaichin: hmm, foldering means less sp requirements for the next vehicle inline, which also means people less likely to accelerate it with eagles, or less eagles needs due to lower research point, so better nope!
who said that foldered vehicels should have less rp?
Foldered vehicles always have 50% lower RP cost (apart from the one at the top of the folder)
Not for long. It’ll be 4 ton heavier than the SEPv2 and 4.8 ton heavier than the SEPv1 soon enough.
Well, thats bad, it will take years now o get th tropy abrams.
Its a copy pasted stock SEP, yeah theyre rejecting it a copy paste that requires 800k rp and 4 million SL
Hello??? Yk some people have jobs, school, family, a life
Think more like 2 weeks
Which is a copy-pasted stock SEP;
The one with Trophy APS capable of countering Vikhrs and LMURs among other threats, or the one with 200+ more mm KE in the turret and soon to receive improved hull armor too?
Also, remember; Only SEPs are getting M829A3.
You would go from having 4x M829A3-armed tanks to only 3x, with the 4th spawn being either a trash thermals tank with M829A2, or a tank with good thermals but even worse KE-W.
Do you want one less tank armed with M829A3?
Yes, I’m a pharmacy technician who has to deal with pretty much everything in the household and with plenity of friends and social life, so your attempt at picturing me like a “no-lifer” backfires.
Still; let’s say a match is 6,000 RP and 7 minutes long on average.
400,000/6,000= 66 matches; 66x7 = 462 minutes; 462/60= 7 and half hours.
Playing even just around 1 hour a day, that’s 7 days. 2 hours a day, 3-4 days.
Would you give up an M829A3-armed tank for the lineup (with Trophy or significantly upgraded armor, depends on which one you want to ditch) because you find grinding for less than a mere week too inconvenient…?
A completely useless trait to have, literally nothing changes, youre making the invincible thing more invincible
The trophy is fine,
Dont know where you got that, most of my games last a solid 10-15 minutes
Also i should say im not denying that, yeah sure its an upgrade to the base SEP, its just why on earth would i intentionally grind for the exact same thing i have already
Far from useless. There’s a reason why they made this upgrade in real life; and as I said, just wait until they upgrade the hull armor too.
I just think that:
M1A2 SEPv3 + M1A2 SEPv3 Trophy + M1A2 SEPv2 + M1A2 SEP
Is better than
M1A2 SEPv2 Trophy + M1A2 SEPv2 + M1A2 SEP + M1A2/M1A1 AIM
If you remove either of the upcoming tanks, you go from 4x M829A3, 2nd gen thermal tanks with important upgrades, to only 3x such tanks, with a 4th one having to be a 0.7 BRs lower tank with either a worse shell and worse thermals, or a much worse shell
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The shot youre showing is one in a million and even then, why are you aiming at the cheek, thats like shooting the pike nose of an IS and saying its op, aim for the turret basket, roof, ring, hull, etc
Already denied afaik
And yeah having the extra tank is nice, but nobody in their right mind is gonna spend a solid week grinding the misery that is top tier US for whats a copy pasted SEP, and a copy pasted M1A2 tbh if it werent for the gen 2 thermals
The trophy should be foldered with the SEP and SEP V2, or the SEP moved to a folder eith the A2, the ROSY and TROPHY V2 foldered, and V3 alone, because all this grind is absurd
I mean, “grinding” is just… playing the game. You would play the game whether there’s a new tank or not, so… why not have the new tank? Were you not going to play anyway? Or do you only ever play “to grind”, but also so long as it’s “no more than a week” worth of grind?
2nd gen thermals AND M829A3; are you not yet aware of the enormous advantages M829A3 brings over M829A2? Not only does it have an ever so slightly superior penetration; it also possesses higher effectiveness against all Kontakt-5-armored tanks and is also the heaviest APFSDS round in the game, which will lead so increased spall amounts and damage upon penetrating.
In the Dev Server, SEP and SEPv2 are already foldered. The MBT line is therefore in line with all other nations; 3 MBTs to the top without counting foldered vehicles. It’s the same for Germany, Russia and France, for example.
The fight isn’t over xD
In real combat, you don’t always hit exactly where you want when you, the enemy and the enemy turret are on the move on uneven terrain.
Let’s be honest though. Those kinds of shots are less than 5% of all the shots hitting the Abrams turret cheeks.
If the SEPv3 gets it’s increased weight (which is just a matter of time) and it’s improved hull armor it will be one of the better Abrams, but when it only get’s it’s increased weight with no changes to the hull it’ll easily be the worst 12.7 Abrams.
Still not bad to have as a 4th or even 5th MBT spawn.
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Being able to ufp a 12.0 tank doesnt help that much lol, and as for the extra pen it falls off quick to being worse at range, and worse on angles. A2 can already pen K-5 too so being able to… pen more K-5 doesnt help, and before you bring ip ufping a T80 why are you aiming for the ufp of anything in the first place
Long rod spall is based off remaining penetration, has nothing to do with shell mass iirc
Im sayin it should either be
M1A2 > SEP/SEP V2/ trophy > SEP V3
Or
M1A2/SEP > SEP V2/trophy > SEP V3
So dont shoot the turret, the entire hull is a one shot guaranteed even if youre using an autocannon
Gaijin already decided, the bug report managers just spew random nonsense to deny all bug reports on it, meaning theyve made their choice and its unfortunately never gonna happen, the most were gonna see is the dev M1A1 hull improvement
I mean, if you tell me; “X round can’t pen 11.0 Russian tanks, while Y round can pen all 11.0, 11.3, 11.7, 12.0 and 12.3 Russian tanks”… that would make it even clearer to me, hahah.
Hull down. Hulls aren’t always fully exposed. So if you shoot at the turret side and the enemy moves the turret and it hits the cheek, you would pen any Abrams except SEPv3.
A2 and SEP are too far apart in BR to be in a folder.
I do think SEPv2 Trophy could and should be foldered with SEPv2, though. But the last thing I would ever ask is not to add it just to avoid grinding, hahah.
We will put as much pressure as it is necessary!
If they do this, i’d expect it to get hull armor. If not, then its unfortunately worse than V1.
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To be fair, only 600+ rounds can do that, and at the point where you can pen the cheek, the turret side is a better option. But I get your point.
Yeah, basically; I acknowledge that it’s not MUCH of an improvement, but, after 7 years (since M1A2, as, until now, all HCs, SEP and SEPv2 were just the same, but with better thermals) of no improvements at all, even the SLIGHTLIEST improvement is worth clinging to, hahah.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ibdYotFlRgVp
The bug report was passed super quickly after the dev server opened. So at this point I think it’s a “when” and not an “if” it gets corrected.
Can we call it an improvement when the reduced mobility will mean it’s 1 step forward and 2-3 steps back?
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