India’s ties to Israel isn’t as strong as people say it is especially to some other nations Israel has relations with (Mainly Colombia, Chile and Azerbaijan) on top of that Israel didn’t contribute as much in weapon procurement and upgrade/MLU programs. Primarily due to India’s desire to be A: have a completely independent and self-sustaining defense industry and B: have a healthy export market for their own domestically built weapons. These two points are spurred on by what’s currently happening in Israel since it’s quite hard to sustain an export market when you are at war with all of your neighbours and the rest of the world is turning against you.
And no the UK isn’t a good choice either (excluding historical grievances for a moment), weapon procurement wise most of them are either weapons they inherit from the Raj or brought early on in the Current Indian state’s history. The Soviets contributed way more to weapon procurement to India than the UK ever did and I’d argue that France is a bigger procurer of weapons to India than either the UK or even Israel is more recently and I don’t hear French mains going like “InDiAn SuBtReE iN fReNcH TT cUz PoNdIcHeRry CoLoNy” only certain UK mains do that
The problem of India tree, is that while even Israel tree itself is considered as failure by Gaijin to make a full independent tree, India has no chance of such, which even lacks more in ground top BR.
Maybe if it’s not 2021’s Gaijin but 2025’s Gaijin, then Israel would be end with USA’s sub tree.
I don’t take what the senior mods or even gaijin’s statement in regards to subtrees seriously anymore since they consistently contradict themselves and not only that you cannot use whatever they say in a comment section for granted since Gaijin will have one stance one year and completely take the opposite stance the next year when demand calls for it. Back in the day Gaijin used to state that Supersonic will not be added to the game only for them to announce Supersonic aircraft
Subtrees can become Independent TT case in point Italy used to be a subtree of the German TT a long time back before becoming a full TT and people back then when you look at really old TT fixes and proposals were serious about adding way more Italian aircraft in the German TT. Same goes for France, they used to be a de-facto subtree of the British TT and there is serious proposals back then to add more French aircraft to the UK TT
Also I find you rebuttal very interesting especially coming from a Korean. Think of it as this way if Gaijin clandestinely added South Korea as a subtree of Japan or even China, only announcing it in comments and not in a proper devblog like they did to India you would feel very differently about it. Face it they only announce it in the comments not the devblog itself because A: if they announce it in the devblog proper they’ll face major backlash and B: most people don’t read comment sections and the Gaijin devblogs are no exception to this so they can more easily get away with it announcing it on a comment section of their devblog than on the new devblog itself
So, the problem of independent India tree is simple. Can it get Rank VIII ground? No.
Well for SK itself, I wouldn’t mind it goes to USA subtree. For Japan and China, Gaijin didn’t have even plan about it so not worrying, and they don’t even have military connection of India-UK
Id rather just get Buffs for Britians Aircraft and Tanks instead of them throwing in some more soviet vehicles and then forgetting the British vehicles even exist.
The least possibility actually. As I stated ealier, is India has Top rank ground? No. What they have is just T-90S, which even with most recent updated one not equivalent with T-90M
If they wanted to add Britsh export stuff, then an indian Sub-TT wasnt necessary.
We have a perfectly capable Air line up with more than enough outstanding aircraft at all BRs, including top tier to keep us going for a while. Then if that fails, South Africa exists and then if that fails so does Australia and Canada.
We could have done with something to help augment the Challenger 2 because Gaijin likes artifiicailly nerfing it, but as the indians dont have anything for that, its irrelevant and the British ground tree is rather solid once the outstanding British vehicles are added.
The only logical reason I can see them wanting to add india to the British TT is so that they could add soviet C&Ps to the TT without actually fixing the vehicles already in the TT or adding unique new vehicles
Like how they added a T-90 instead of fixing some of the issues affecting the CR1s and adding competitive british light tanks like the Warrior VERDI II or the Mig-21 because they didnt want to fix BOL which is hard nerfing every single one of our Rank VIII aircraft.
Yep, soviet AA that what British can’t have even with SA, Australia and Canada.
And also for as naval, Modern day coastal which none of them can’t give(maybe except warrior class missile boat of SA navy but it would be possible when Israeli navy comes, which is another low possibility)
At least GB itself is having its own domestic top Rank, though there is question it could compete with other nations top Rank for now(could be solved with decompression), and having possible future addition of Challenger 3 prototpye that is already in existence.
But India itself didn’t even have Rank VIII equivalent of other nation. T-90 is just Rank VII you know. FMBT? Did it even have concept vehicle?
Tracked Rapier, Stormer AD, Stormer HVM, Stormer HVM (late) and Warrior VERDI II is more than enough for 10.0-10.7 and Id rather take SkySabre over a Pantsir C&P
Britian has perfectly capable top tier frigate options like the Type 21 and Type 22 for example.
Id argue that a properly modeled Challenger 2 would be perfectly competitive against everything else. Meta no, but middle of the pack and fun. Then you have the CR3 which is definetly able to go toe to toe with everyone else and then there are options like the Boxer and Ajax for some variety. Even something like the Challenger 2 StreetFighter 2 with a Brimstone if you want something truly unique for top tier.
Which then leads me back to my original point, maybe it cant be a standalone nation (though could it be combined with another that does have more options for top tier) but just seems like a dead-duck for Britain which it adds nothing too.
How I see it, India gives them an excuse to neglect us rather than anything else.
If we get a Su-30 with ASRAAM and then ask for ASRAAM on the Typhoon, can guarantee we’ll be told no and to use the SU-30 instead.
Half the reason I feel like the CR1’s ready rack problems havent been addresed is because we have the T-90 and that the reasons why the Stormer HVM is still missing loads of features is because we have the Strela and OSA.
Just because I’m a Republican Irishman doesn’t mean I don’t support the colonisation of the tech trees into the British Empire.
US belongs in the UK tech tree (1776 never happened)
Russia belongs in the UK tech tree (the king’s cousin will be avenged)
Germany belongs in the UK tech tree (the kings of England are German, don’t you know)
UK belongs in the the UK tech tree (no such thing as Brexit)
Japan belongs in the UK tech tree (their cartoons are dubbed in English, the king’s English)
China belongs in the UK tech tree (they never paid back the UK for all the opium they took)
Italy belongs in the UK tech tree (the Protestant English love annoying the Pope)
France belongs in the UK tech tree (Normandy belongs to England)
Sweden belongs in the UK tech tree (Vikings)
Israel belongs in the UK tech tree (never forget how Richard the Lionheart put down his life to free Jerusalem from the invading hordes)
And those are the reasons all tech trees need to be colonised by the benevolent empire.
Don’t worry, there won’t be as Pantsir never handed over India and order is in cancelled state
No missile or torpedo boat, which is British extremely lacked of right now.
No it won’t be sorry. Maybe Challenger 2 TES and OES would be little better if they have protection level of when they first introduced but it is now age of DM53 and 3BM60, which is unable to be stopped by those applique armor.
It’s just an mock-up Brimstone, so no possibility.
That is what the Type 21 and Type 22 would add. With ASMs as well when they become an option.
I dont really have issue with not having Torpedo boats for 4.0+. They seem DOA to me anyway.
Again, it has WAAAAAY more problems than just the ERA being 1/4 the strength it should be. There isnt a thing on the CR2 that isnt underperforming currently.
Actually most important coastal thing on 6.0+ naval. So your ‘seem DOA’ is not meaningful here
Missile ‘boat’ I’ve said. Not missile ‘frigatge’ or missile ‘destroyer’
I’m not saying about the ERA but frontal applique composite.
It is added under Gaijin’s incomplete research, along with Hammer IIR, which is not the case of Brimstone that is clearly not installed on Streetfighter 2
I don’t mind seeing the entire SEA ground and airforce in Japan tbh, let them have flanker, falcon, rafale and hornet with Leo, Oplot, and T90 along with T-10.
IMO Gaijin is neglecting us enough, even without any excuses.
And having India won’t change things dramatically.
So…
First of all. I am fine to lose India subtree only when India players really want to have their own independent tree.
(which is unlikely to happen if we consider Smin’s talk and the current status of the Israel tree)
But, I am really unsure that Israel or Japan(ASEAN by Thailand) need to, and have better reasoning to have India over us. I think we have a tighter connection than those.
(Insert picture of last prime minister here)
Of course, I also prefer the ANZAC or Canadian subtree over India.
But I am double sure that we will going to have none of the fancy things from them, and all we will get will be some silly coastal boats which are easily outgunned by soviets and will not damage soviet supremacy in the coastal zone.
Because Gaijin hates us.
If Gaijin hates British. no matter how we have India or not.
And there is no chance of having another commonwealth nation as a subtree.
Then, why do we need to reject India and starving?
I have never been killed by a coastal boat in any bluewater vessel, let alone a top tier BB and other than them sneaking a cap, I dont see them ahve any use.
So again, what would that add?
Fairly certain that is underperforming signfiicantly in-game currently and we also could have a dozer blade for extra protection.
Also, everyone one shots everyone anyway, so armour is secondary these days if they fixed L27A1, fixed our ready rack and buffed our reload rate to compensate for our moblitity issues.
You assume.
Im not so convinced.
But the Brimstone does actaully exist, and is being used on ground vehicles like the upcoming Boxer.
Not that unreasonable to consider it on the CR2 or CR3 at some point and I think its not necessarily that big of a deal to add a real weapon to a real vehicle with which that combo was only ever mocked up if the need arises.
