Because Id still rather take a Hawk 200, or Gnat, or Harrier Gr9, or Jaguar GR3A, etc etc over a Mig-29, Su-30, Mirage 2K or Rafale. Even the Tejas I have 0 interest in.
We are lucky to get 1 addition per update at the moment and so even if our British stuff is nerfed through the floor, I would still play it because those are the vehicles I want to play, If I had wanted the soviet stuff, Id have palyed the soviet T Tand if I had wanted the french stuff Id have played the French TT.
Just look at how many British vehicles are missing that have South African additions instead and how long it took for the Fox and Scimitar to come. I cant imagine what our tree could have looked like if we didnt get a dozen SARCs
I’m talking about domination mode which sometimes ends with 5 minute of doing nothing with capital ships when coastals succeed to cap two points.
Dozer blade cannot be applied together with applique composite you know, and dozer blade alone does not even give protection of nerfed applique composite.
When even fixed L27A1 can’t do anything against Leopard 2A7V/HU, Strv122s and T-90M/T-80BVM?
If you’re talking about Boxer with Brimstone missile, it is not even finished and Brimstone is not being used on ground vehicles.
Also, consider Streetfighter 2 is not an official update plan of British Army, just showing ‘what Army Personnel want for Challenger 2 to improve those outdated MBT’. There are not much thing British Army took from Streetfighter 2 to Challenger 3.
Then what does India give in that department that cant be achieved with our own coastal boats already in game or not in game?
Fair enough, but entrenching would.
Should be able to, especially with ERA Perforation, the extra pen and half decent post pen damage.
and failing that, just do what they did with Japan and what they did for us for the first 4 years of the CR2, give us a reload advantage, drop us down to 4-4.5 second reloads with our 28 round ready rack and we’d be fine.
And the CR3 can get EKE/DM83
It has in Ukraine.
Like I said, it could be an interesting option if all else fails.
I didnt realise we had the Ferrets, Scorpions, Spartan, Salamander, Saladin, Abbot, AS-90, Saxon, etc etc.
License produced Pr.206 or Pr.1141, or even domestically improved Pr.1141
You know that current APFSDS post pen damage ingame only affects by leftover penetration, right? It is different from other rounds, which is little strange.
Which doesn’t exist now.
As for now, it seems Ukraine vehicle would goes to Eastern Europe tree includes Ukraine.
Which are… just sidegrade of what existing for now, even excluding Indian and South African ones. So, now what is real difference that further domestic vehicles can give over existing domestic vehicles?
Maybe this is the point why we are both conflicting.
I don’t think having either South African or India subtree impacted any kind of our domestic addition in our TT.
In my opinion. They weren’t planning to give us those at all.
Just like Caribou/Airacobra, Buffalo, and Sabre did.
If Gaijin is ever concerned about anything to us.
I am sure that our Challenger 2 has a bigger ready rack.
I guess we had best remove the Yak-141 and the like from the game too then as they never existed.
If we are talking about adding a full production CR3 to the game and it needs a better round than DM63, then just make an educated guess and add DM83 EKE.
I was talking about Brimstone being used on a ground vehicle.
No they arent. They are entirely different vehicles. But by that arugment we’d have like 3 vehicles at every BR max for all nations also are you are saying is that Britain cant get British vehicles because we have South African and Indian vheicles instead?
Which is precisely why I dislike Sub-TTs in teh first place, they replace our native vehicles, not augment them.
Which is the least needed condition to be ‘competitive’ coastal right now, or other choice is German C&P. And don’t worry, domestically improved Pr.1141 use western armament also, which soviet ones cannot get.
Problem is, we don’t know how much. The document that were presented to Developers, does not contain the factor Gaijin needed to recalculate. Only how much it pens on test, which can be severly different on conditions of that test.
At least their ingredient exist. Not the case of DM83. It uses different penetrator from DM63/73 which never showed
Basically, which is why I dont want India, if they want to add Indian modifications of British stuff, like the Sea Harrier FRS51 or the Jags, then thats fine ,but doesnt require a full Sub-TT.
Likewise something like the Tejas could come under the commonwealth rules and so again doesnt need Sub-TT.
The ONLY reason to add it as a Sub-TT was so they could add soviet C&P like the T-90 and Mig-21 which only subtract from our TT
So, entirely new vehicles or different hull/weapon combos changing playstyle majorly don’t belong in the game?
So, going by that logic, things like the M10, Sherman Jumbo, like all of the German TDs, etc., shouldn’t be in the game as they are based on another hull with a different gun(or other things that change playstyle).
Again, I still dont understand why this is needed over our own domestic top tier coastal options.
Id still much rather see a stuff like the Type 21 than a soviet PT boat.
Given their standardisation and the information in the latest report, i dont know why it should differ from anyone else.
I thought they got rid of national documents and went with a “one way of doing it for all”. So just model it the same way as everyone else’s.
Again, we are talking about a new addition in a year or 2 not next week. So things might have changed by then. But the point is, It can be added eventually if the need arises. But at the moment, the CR2s would be competitive if they were modeled even half correctly and this is largely irrelevant to whether or not India should be added to our TT because they add no alternative that is even better than the CR1.
Okay, so it seems our opinion is on the horizion and never meet crosses, so I’ll end it here with my final opinion.
Because their purpose is difference. Frigates, are just smalller and weaker destroyers in overall games, not a true coastal ‘boat’ that hides from capital ships’ eye and capture. And in that case, Royal Navy, even with export version, cannot give anything over Brave Borderer, which is not a competitive option for now, and even more for later as Soviet still didn’t get their best boat(even it is not missile boat)
I do agree British frigates now are okay. I do enjoy HMS Leopard, and I’ll soon play HMCS Terra Nova too. But for top BR naval, boat is what needed, not frigate.
Even with fully correcting Challenger 2, I don’t think it would be competitive even with BR decompression, as Challenger 2 does not fit to the gameplay meta of this game. I do love challenger 2, which is the only tank that I bought book about, but I do also insist that Challenger 2 is not well suited to point-capturing, village fighting game.
Perhaps, but I still dont understand what this has to do with Britain needing India. And rather an argument to get our multiple missing top tier IFV options
I see a future for Britain as the king of Support. With strong SPAA, IFVs, Sniper tanks and great CAS
Yet you think that india in israel would be less out of place than in UK.
just selling and upgrading weapons and maybe some security cooperation isnt strong enough justification, otherwise, as i already mentioned, you can make some pretty shady claims, like Czech Republic to USA and such.
You cant even convince one random forum user, how do you expect to make Gaijin change its mind?
They just sell them weapons and maybe upgrade them, and share some security intelligence.
They have no mutual defense treaty.
If India didnt want to have historical connections to Britain, it shouldnt allow itself to get colonised.
Again, no mutual defense treaty. On top of not being related through geography, history, culture or geopolitical interests.
Because they have either historical, geographical or political connection or some combination of of these. Israel and India have none beside some security cooperation.
Any country that sells them weapon would “aid” india.
Any country whose geopolitical interests oppose pakistan and china would “aid” india.
Israel is not special in this case.
I can assure you its not only possible but quite easy to deny it.
