then in the current mess, how should stuff like arjun, namica, abhay, bmp OFB, marut, tejas, su30mki and countless more come?
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to be fair, italy didnt had its own tt iirc earlier, there were decent chunk of vehicles spreaded everywhere till it got its own tt
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Taiwan not CN`s subtree
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I want Indian TT with Indian songs in hangar!
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They should go into the tech tree of which ever nation developed the initial vehicle. Anything that is outside of that ect then goes into the UK tree. Failing that if its some minor subvariant then its not worth adding anyhow.
We don’t need copy and past tree’s for every nation on the planet…
You dont think the peoples democratic republic of workers of talistan, which operated grand total of 4 tanks during the entiriety of its existence, should have its own tech tree? Are you some bigot?
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this would cause really vague additions, and again would kinda diminish the variation
France with Algeria’s Su-57, what a twist
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() = no. of variants
Arjun (6) The Arjun was delayed by many decades so each upgrade is very different
8x8 CBRN
Kestrel WhAP
Kestrel UT-30
Sarath (2) License built Indian Bmp-2 with Indian upgrades and indigenous parts
Medak: A heavy upgrade of the Sarath that was already upgraded so it’s basically indigenous
Sarath II: Heavily upgraded Sarath with more modern equipment, better Armour and more
Abhay
Zorawar Mahajan: 1x 105mm Cockerill 3105 cannon (APFSDS, HESH, CLGM)
1x 12.7mm NSV Machine Gun (RCWS)
1x 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (Coax.)
Zorawar LT: 1x 105mm Cockerill 3105 cannon (APFSDS, HESH, CLGM)
2x Nag ATGM Launchers
1x 12.7mm NSV Machine Gun (RCWS)
1x 7.62mm PKT Machine Gun (Coax.)
The Zorawar LT has ATGMs and side pontoons unlike the Zorawar Mahajan.
M4A1E6 Sherman: upgraded Sherman using a 17-pounder, upgraded suspension, and improved engine
M4A4 SA50: Indigenous combination of an M4A4 and an Amx-13’s SA-50 cannon
M4A1E6/9 Sherman: further upgrade of the E6 Sherman with an even better suspension and engine
T-55 Gulmohar: modernization of the T-55 by using 105MM L7 cannons from their Vijayanta tanks
Ajeya 1 and 2: Ajeya Mk.1 is just a T-72M1 and the Ajeya Mk.2 adds ERA blocks and some minor improvements
CL Ajeya: A heavily upgraded/modernised Ajeya with a new FCS, TFS, Radio, Navigation, and Optical systems. Can also fire CLGMs
Atharva: The main difference between this and the Ajeya is a T-90 turret used on the Bhishma
Bhishma 1 and 2: Bhishma MK.1 is a T-90 and Bhishma MK.2 has some minor upgrades
Bhishma MK.3:
“The Bhishma Mk.III is the latest version of the Bhishma to date, first being announced in May 2024, The Bhishma Mk.III sees significant upgrades, seeing a majority of its parts such as its thermals, engine, and LRF being designed and built in India, and now includes technologies and equipment found on India’s Arjun MBT’s such as its FCS, and is reportedly capable of firing the SAMHO ATGM and Mk.II APFSDS. Further technologies such as a APS, loitering munitions, and other upgrades are also planned for later production blocks.”
Bhishma II: locally produced T-90MS with a majority of its parts being indigenously designed and built
Churchill Mk.VII CS: equipped with a 95 mm gun by the British Raj
Vijayanta Mk.IA: indigenous FCS, improved sight mounts, and muzzle reference system. There are more minor upgrades as well
Vijayanta Mk.1B: new Laser rangefinder and FCS
Vijayanta Mk.1C: Final variant with Add-on armour to the turret and hull
Vijayanta Mk.2 (nothing like the original Vijayanta):
“The Vijayanta Mk.2 was the product of the late-80’s “Bison” Upgrade Program, in and effort to fully modernize the Vijayanta tanks, the Mk.2s would borrow technologies from the Arjun program, specifically the newly-developed “Kanchan” composite Armor, being added to the turret and hull; The addition of the Yugoslav SUV-T55A fire control system and thermals; A modern land navigation system; And the engine of a T-72 to counter all the new weight. 4 total prototypes were created and tested in the 1990’s, however issues such as overheating and the breakdown of parts would lead to the abandonment of the program in 1997.”
see for yourself
Karna (parade variants of the Arjun)
ACV IP Mk.IIA: one of the first indigenous armoured cars used by India, however it’s armament is pretty mediocre with only a 14mm Boys Anti-Tank rifle and a 7.7mm Bren machine gun. I’m not sure if it can pen 1.0 - 2.0 tanks or not.
Garuda 105: mobile light howitzer
M-46 Catapult:
I don’t know what to say, it has a 130 MM howitzer strapped onto a lengthened Vijayanta hull
TATA L/52: Light weight mobile howitzer (155mm)
M-46 ACS: same as the Vijayanta catapult but using an Arjun hull with improved survivability
Jonga 106:
Nissan jeep with a 106mm recoilless rifle
Ajeya GCT F1: Ajeya hull with an AuF1 turret
Jonga SS.11 B1: locally produced jeep with three SS.11B1s
Gypsy AT: locally produced jeep with an ATGM launcher
Windy 505: locally produced jeep with an ATGM launcher
Mahindra Striker: same as above but with a different jeep and ATGM
BRDM-II Striker: BRDM with 5 Konkur ATGMs
Namica TD: Tech demonstrator using the BMP-2 chassis with 2x indigenous NAG ATGMs
Namica (P): 4x NAG ATGMs
this is just half of the tree, not to mention that the SPAAs and SAM carriers are even more indigenous because India is highly advanced when it comes to missiles with multiple variants of ATGMs, Cruise missiles, and more. And India has many indigenous Ammo types.
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Get india to Israel so the Bhishma can be the best tank in the tech tree.
I don’t recall South Africa, Jordan, or India having that with Britain.
So if India’s second largest Military Partner, soon to be first, is Israel, why should Britain get them? Britain has several subtrees already and it makes very little sense to add Indian tech to their tree past a certain BR.
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Because their link isnt about defense treaty, their link is about significant history connections.
As far as i know only jordanian vehicle in game is Al-Khalid, a modified Chieftain, ie. UK exported vehicle to a country that will likely never be represented in game as standalone TT.
Because their link isnt about some sort of mutual defense treaty but simple defense cooperation - and you dont wanna open that can of worms.
Because if simple defense cooperation, in a sense of sharing intelligence and weapon sales/upgrades, is all it takes to claim a country as subtree, i am looking forward to Czech Republic being subtree to USA.
They share a significant historical connections. Which is more than what can be said about Israel.
Still better choices than South Africa and India if that is the main deciding factor for Sub-TTs, like Canada or Australia or New Zealand for example.
I still reckon that 99% of their reasoning for putting India in Britain was just so they could bodge our tree with soviet additions instead of actually fixing the vehicles that need fixing or adding the unique native stuff that would only come to our tree
But the Jordan Challenger Falcon would have been so much better than the T-90.
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And yet its not entirely out of place. Unlike India being in Israel.
Issue not unique to India. No need to look further than France getting Leo2s instead of Leclerc fix.
UK and India is even more out of place
and you want to make that issue worse?
so should we add France to Germany because Germany installed a pro German puppet state called Vichy France? Britain did the same to India but with the British Raj and over 200 years
Because?
How i want to make that issue worse? I simply stated what Gaijin already did. Im not calling for anything new.
You cannot in good faith compare these two situations. One was act of agression against estabilished country which resulted in unlawful occupation. Second one was simply result of colonisation.
Besides India, to my knowledge, joined Commonwealth in 1947 willingly.
Because you want India to stay as a lazy subtree of Britain instead of making change
The Hypocrisy, the British colonisation was an unlawful occupation of India and there were was an established nation in India its called the Mughal empire. The Mughal dynasty started in 1526 whereas the French revolution happened in 1789. So the Mughal empire was an even more established nation.
Skill issue.
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France had a much bigger skill issue with Germany than India did with the British, India was in a civil war with the Maratha rebellion and the Mughals had already been on a decline due to external and internal factors. If the Mughals were at their prime the British would have started speaking Urdu.