Just because I’m a Republican Irishman doesn’t mean I don’t support the colonisation of the tech trees into the British Empire.
US belongs in the UK tech tree (1776 never happened)
Russia belongs in the UK tech tree (the king’s cousin will be avenged)
Germany belongs in the UK tech tree (the kings of England are German, don’t you know)
UK belongs in the the UK tech tree (no such thing as Brexit)
Japan belongs in the UK tech tree (their cartoons are dubbed in English, the king’s English)
China belongs in the UK tech tree (they never paid back the UK for all the opium they took)
Italy belongs in the UK tech tree (the Protestant English love annoying the Pope)
France belongs in the UK tech tree (Normandy belongs to England)
Sweden belongs in the UK tech tree (Vikings)
Israel belongs in the UK tech tree (never forget how Richard the Lionheart put down his life to free Jerusalem from the invading hordes)
And those are the reasons all tech trees need to be colonised by the benevolent empire.
Don’t worry, there won’t be as Pantsir never handed over India and order is in cancelled state
No missile or torpedo boat, which is British extremely lacked of right now.
No it won’t be sorry. Maybe Challenger 2 TES and OES would be little better if they have protection level of when they first introduced but it is now age of DM53 and 3BM60, which is unable to be stopped by those applique armor.
It’s just an mock-up Brimstone, so no possibility.
That is what the Type 21 and Type 22 would add. With ASMs as well when they become an option.
I dont really have issue with not having Torpedo boats for 4.0+. They seem DOA to me anyway.
Again, it has WAAAAAY more problems than just the ERA being 1/4 the strength it should be. There isnt a thing on the CR2 that isnt underperforming currently.
Actually most important coastal thing on 6.0+ naval. So your ‘seem DOA’ is not meaningful here
Missile ‘boat’ I’ve said. Not missile ‘frigatge’ or missile ‘destroyer’
I’m not saying about the ERA but frontal applique composite.
It is added under Gaijin’s incomplete research, along with Hammer IIR, which is not the case of Brimstone that is clearly not installed on Streetfighter 2
I don’t mind seeing the entire SEA ground and airforce in Japan tbh, let them have flanker, falcon, rafale and hornet with Leo, Oplot, and T90 along with T-10.
IMO Gaijin is neglecting us enough, even without any excuses.
And having India won’t change things dramatically.
So…
First of all. I am fine to lose India subtree only when India players really want to have their own independent tree.
(which is unlikely to happen if we consider Smin’s talk and the current status of the Israel tree)
But, I am really unsure that Israel or Japan(ASEAN by Thailand) need to, and have better reasoning to have India over us. I think we have a tighter connection than those.
(Insert picture of last prime minister here)
Of course, I also prefer the ANZAC or Canadian subtree over India.
But I am double sure that we will going to have none of the fancy things from them, and all we will get will be some silly coastal boats which are easily outgunned by soviets and will not damage soviet supremacy in the coastal zone.
Because Gaijin hates us.
If Gaijin hates British. no matter how we have India or not.
And there is no chance of having another commonwealth nation as a subtree.
Then, why do we need to reject India and starving?
I have never been killed by a coastal boat in any bluewater vessel, let alone a top tier BB and other than them sneaking a cap, I dont see them ahve any use.
So again, what would that add?
Fairly certain that is underperforming signfiicantly in-game currently and we also could have a dozer blade for extra protection.
Also, everyone one shots everyone anyway, so armour is secondary these days if they fixed L27A1, fixed our ready rack and buffed our reload rate to compensate for our moblitity issues.
You assume.
Im not so convinced.
But the Brimstone does actaully exist, and is being used on ground vehicles like the upcoming Boxer.
Not that unreasonable to consider it on the CR2 or CR3 at some point and I think its not necessarily that big of a deal to add a real weapon to a real vehicle with which that combo was only ever mocked up if the need arises.
Because Id still rather take a Hawk 200, or Gnat, or Harrier Gr9, or Jaguar GR3A, etc etc over a Mig-29, Su-30, Mirage 2K or Rafale. Even the Tejas I have 0 interest in.
We are lucky to get 1 addition per update at the moment and so even if our British stuff is nerfed through the floor, I would still play it because those are the vehicles I want to play, If I had wanted the soviet stuff, Id have palyed the soviet T Tand if I had wanted the french stuff Id have played the French TT.
Just look at how many British vehicles are missing that have South African additions instead and how long it took for the Fox and Scimitar to come. I cant imagine what our tree could have looked like if we didnt get a dozen SARCs
I’m talking about domination mode which sometimes ends with 5 minute of doing nothing with capital ships when coastals succeed to cap two points.
Dozer blade cannot be applied together with applique composite you know, and dozer blade alone does not even give protection of nerfed applique composite.
When even fixed L27A1 can’t do anything against Leopard 2A7V/HU, Strv122s and T-90M/T-80BVM?
If you’re talking about Boxer with Brimstone missile, it is not even finished and Brimstone is not being used on ground vehicles.
Also, consider Streetfighter 2 is not an official update plan of British Army, just showing ‘what Army Personnel want for Challenger 2 to improve those outdated MBT’. There are not much thing British Army took from Streetfighter 2 to Challenger 3.
Then what does India give in that department that cant be achieved with our own coastal boats already in game or not in game?
Fair enough, but entrenching would.
Should be able to, especially with ERA Perforation, the extra pen and half decent post pen damage.
and failing that, just do what they did with Japan and what they did for us for the first 4 years of the CR2, give us a reload advantage, drop us down to 4-4.5 second reloads with our 28 round ready rack and we’d be fine.
And the CR3 can get EKE/DM83
It has in Ukraine.
Like I said, it could be an interesting option if all else fails.
I didnt realise we had the Ferrets, Scorpions, Spartan, Salamander, Saladin, Abbot, AS-90, Saxon, etc etc.
License produced Pr.206 or Pr.1141, or even domestically improved Pr.1141
You know that current APFSDS post pen damage ingame only affects by leftover penetration, right? It is different from other rounds, which is little strange.
Which doesn’t exist now.
As for now, it seems Ukraine vehicle would goes to Eastern Europe tree includes Ukraine.
Which are… just sidegrade of what existing for now, even excluding Indian and South African ones. So, now what is real difference that further domestic vehicles can give over existing domestic vehicles?
Maybe this is the point why we are both conflicting.
I don’t think having either South African or India subtree impacted any kind of our domestic addition in our TT.
In my opinion. They weren’t planning to give us those at all.
Just like Caribou/Airacobra, Buffalo, and Sabre did.
If Gaijin is ever concerned about anything to us.
I am sure that our Challenger 2 has a bigger ready rack.
I guess we had best remove the Yak-141 and the like from the game too then as they never existed.
If we are talking about adding a full production CR3 to the game and it needs a better round than DM63, then just make an educated guess and add DM83 EKE.
I was talking about Brimstone being used on a ground vehicle.
No they arent. They are entirely different vehicles. But by that arugment we’d have like 3 vehicles at every BR max for all nations also are you are saying is that Britain cant get British vehicles because we have South African and Indian vheicles instead?
Which is precisely why I dislike Sub-TTs in teh first place, they replace our native vehicles, not augment them.
Which is the least needed condition to be ‘competitive’ coastal right now, or other choice is German C&P. And don’t worry, domestically improved Pr.1141 use western armament also, which soviet ones cannot get.
Problem is, we don’t know how much. The document that were presented to Developers, does not contain the factor Gaijin needed to recalculate. Only how much it pens on test, which can be severly different on conditions of that test.
At least their ingredient exist. Not the case of DM83. It uses different penetrator from DM63/73 which never showed
Basically, which is why I dont want India, if they want to add Indian modifications of British stuff, like the Sea Harrier FRS51 or the Jags, then thats fine ,but doesnt require a full Sub-TT.
Likewise something like the Tejas could come under the commonwealth rules and so again doesnt need Sub-TT.
The ONLY reason to add it as a Sub-TT was so they could add soviet C&P like the T-90 and Mig-21 which only subtract from our TT
So, entirely new vehicles or different hull/weapon combos changing playstyle majorly don’t belong in the game?
So, going by that logic, things like the M10, Sherman Jumbo, like all of the German TDs, etc., shouldn’t be in the game as they are based on another hull with a different gun(or other things that change playstyle).
Again, I still dont understand why this is needed over our own domestic top tier coastal options.
Id still much rather see a stuff like the Type 21 than a soviet PT boat.
Given their standardisation and the information in the latest report, i dont know why it should differ from anyone else.
I thought they got rid of national documents and went with a “one way of doing it for all”. So just model it the same way as everyone else’s.
Again, we are talking about a new addition in a year or 2 not next week. So things might have changed by then. But the point is, It can be added eventually if the need arises. But at the moment, the CR2s would be competitive if they were modeled even half correctly and this is largely irrelevant to whether or not India should be added to our TT because they add no alternative that is even better than the CR1.