Id rather just get Buffs for Britians Aircraft and Tanks instead of them throwing in some more soviet vehicles and then forgetting the British vehicles even exist.
Lets not give them an excuse to neglect us
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“Jewish and USA having good relationship blah ba blah”
(Picture of Gaijin Showing us WR of top rank US for blurring the point)
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Im really hoping that the inclusion to Britain is a bit like Italy was for Germany or Israel was for the US.
Build up a bit of an early “mass” of vehicles before then creating a new TT for India.
Only way it makes sense.
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The least possibility actually. As I stated ealier, is India has Top rank ground? No. What they have is just T-90S, which even with most recent updated one not equivalent with T-90M
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Then what do they give Britain then?
If they wanted to add Britsh export stuff, then an indian Sub-TT wasnt necessary.
We have a perfectly capable Air line up with more than enough outstanding aircraft at all BRs, including top tier to keep us going for a while. Then if that fails, South Africa exists and then if that fails so does Australia and Canada.
We could have done with something to help augment the Challenger 2 because Gaijin likes artifiicailly nerfing it, but as the indians dont have anything for that, its irrelevant and the British ground tree is rather solid once the outstanding British vehicles are added.
The only logical reason I can see them wanting to add india to the British TT is so that they could add soviet C&Ps to the TT without actually fixing the vehicles already in the TT or adding unique new vehicles
Like how they added a T-90 instead of fixing some of the issues affecting the CR1s and adding competitive british light tanks like the Warrior VERDI II or the Mig-21 because they didnt want to fix BOL which is hard nerfing every single one of our Rank VIII aircraft.
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Yep, soviet AA that what British can’t have even with SA, Australia and Canada.
And also for as naval, Modern day coastal which none of them can’t give(maybe except warrior class missile boat of SA navy but it would be possible when Israeli navy comes, which is another low possibility)
At least GB itself is having its own domestic top Rank, though there is question it could compete with other nations top Rank for now(could be solved with decompression), and having possible future addition of Challenger 3 prototpye that is already in existence.
But India itself didn’t even have Rank VIII equivalent of other nation. T-90 is just Rank VII you know. FMBT? Did it even have concept vehicle?
It seems that Gaijin don’t want to give us Aussie or Canada.
So I think we have only two options. :/
Accept India and get neglected, or Just get neglected without India.
If both ways give us nothing more than getting neglected without a proper reason.
I want to keep India in our hands.
I don’t think Gaijin will let us have something else instead.
(Either other subtrees or domestic built things)
I mean, We even can’t get buffalo or sabre which we bought. :/
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Again, didnt need it.
Tracked Rapier, Stormer AD, Stormer HVM, Stormer HVM (late) and Warrior VERDI II is more than enough for 10.0-10.7 and Id rather take SkySabre over a Pantsir C&P
Britian has perfectly capable top tier frigate options like the Type 21 and Type 22 for example.
Id argue that a properly modeled Challenger 2 would be perfectly competitive against everything else. Meta no, but middle of the pack and fun. Then you have the CR3 which is definetly able to go toe to toe with everyone else and then there are options like the Boxer and Ajax for some variety. Even something like the Challenger 2 StreetFighter 2 with a Brimstone if you want something truly unique for top tier.
Which then leads me back to my original point, maybe it cant be a standalone nation (though could it be combined with another that does have more options for top tier) but just seems like a dead-duck for Britain which it adds nothing too.
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How I see it, India gives them an excuse to neglect us rather than anything else.
If we get a Su-30 with ASRAAM and then ask for ASRAAM on the Typhoon, can guarantee we’ll be told no and to use the SU-30 instead.
Half the reason I feel like the CR1’s ready rack problems havent been addresed is because we have the T-90 and that the reasons why the Stormer HVM is still missing loads of features is because we have the Strela and OSA.
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Just because I’m a Republican Irishman doesn’t mean I don’t support the colonisation of the tech trees into the British Empire.
US belongs in the UK tech tree (1776 never happened)
Russia belongs in the UK tech tree (the king’s cousin will be avenged)
Germany belongs in the UK tech tree (the kings of England are German, don’t you know)
UK belongs in the the UK tech tree (no such thing as Brexit)
Japan belongs in the UK tech tree (their cartoons are dubbed in English, the king’s English)
China belongs in the UK tech tree (they never paid back the UK for all the opium they took)
Italy belongs in the UK tech tree (the Protestant English love annoying the Pope)
France belongs in the UK tech tree (Normandy belongs to England)
Sweden belongs in the UK tech tree (Vikings)
Israel belongs in the UK tech tree (never forget how Richard the Lionheart put down his life to free Jerusalem from the invading hordes)
And those are the reasons all tech trees need to be colonised by the benevolent empire.
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Don’t worry, there won’t be as Pantsir never handed over India and order is in cancelled state
No missile or torpedo boat, which is British extremely lacked of right now.
No it won’t be sorry. Maybe Challenger 2 TES and OES would be little better if they have protection level of when they first introduced but it is now age of DM53 and 3BM60, which is unable to be stopped by those applique armor.
It’s just an mock-up Brimstone, so no possibility.
Missiles such as SAMs?
That is what the Type 21 and Type 22 would add. With ASMs as well when they become an option.
I dont really have issue with not having Torpedo boats for 4.0+. They seem DOA to me anyway.
Again, it has WAAAAAY more problems than just the ERA being 1/4 the strength it should be. There isnt a thing on the CR2 that isnt underperforming currently.
Looks at KH-38MT
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Actually most important coastal thing on 6.0+ naval. So your ‘seem DOA’ is not meaningful here
Missile ‘boat’ I’ve said. Not missile ‘frigatge’ or missile ‘destroyer’
I’m not saying about the ERA but frontal applique composite.
It is added under Gaijin’s incomplete research, along with Hammer IIR, which is not the case of Brimstone that is clearly not installed on Streetfighter 2
I don’t mind seeing the entire SEA ground and airforce in Japan tbh, let them have flanker, falcon, rafale and hornet with Leo, Oplot, and T90 along with T-10.
IMO Gaijin is neglecting us enough, even without any excuses.
And having India won’t change things dramatically.
So…
First of all. I am fine to lose India subtree only when India players really want to have their own independent tree.
(which is unlikely to happen if we consider Smin’s talk and the current status of the Israel tree)
But, I am really unsure that Israel or Japan(ASEAN by Thailand) need to, and have better reasoning to have India over us. I think we have a tighter connection than those.
(Insert picture of last prime minister here)
Of course, I also prefer the ANZAC or Canadian subtree over India.
But I am double sure that we will going to have none of the fancy things from them, and all we will get will be some silly coastal boats which are easily outgunned by soviets and will not damage soviet supremacy in the coastal zone.
Because Gaijin hates us.
If Gaijin hates British. no matter how we have India or not.
And there is no chance of having another commonwealth nation as a subtree.
Then, why do we need to reject India and starving?
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I have never been killed by a coastal boat in any bluewater vessel, let alone a top tier BB and other than them sneaking a cap, I dont see them ahve any use.
So again, what would that add?
Fairly certain that is underperforming signfiicantly in-game currently and we also could have a dozer blade for extra protection.
Also, everyone one shots everyone anyway, so armour is secondary these days if they fixed L27A1, fixed our ready rack and buffed our reload rate to compensate for our moblitity issues.
You assume.
Im not so convinced.
But the Brimstone does actaully exist, and is being used on ground vehicles like the upcoming Boxer.
Not that unreasonable to consider it on the CR2 or CR3 at some point and I think its not necessarily that big of a deal to add a real weapon to a real vehicle with which that combo was only ever mocked up if the need arises.
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Because Id still rather take a Hawk 200, or Gnat, or Harrier Gr9, or Jaguar GR3A, etc etc over a Mig-29, Su-30, Mirage 2K or Rafale. Even the Tejas I have 0 interest in.
We are lucky to get 1 addition per update at the moment and so even if our British stuff is nerfed through the floor, I would still play it because those are the vehicles I want to play, If I had wanted the soviet stuff, Id have palyed the soviet T Tand if I had wanted the french stuff Id have played the French TT.
Just look at how many British vehicles are missing that have South African additions instead and how long it took for the Fox and Scimitar to come. I cant imagine what our tree could have looked like if we didnt get a dozen SARCs
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I’m talking about domination mode which sometimes ends with 5 minute of doing nothing with capital ships when coastals succeed to cap two points.
Dozer blade cannot be applied together with applique composite you know, and dozer blade alone does not even give protection of nerfed applique composite.
When even fixed L27A1 can’t do anything against Leopard 2A7V/HU, Strv122s and T-90M/T-80BVM?
If you’re talking about Boxer with Brimstone missile, it is not even finished and Brimstone is not being used on ground vehicles.
Also, consider Streetfighter 2 is not an official update plan of British Army, just showing ‘what Army Personnel want for Challenger 2 to improve those outdated MBT’. There are not much thing British Army took from Streetfighter 2 to Challenger 3.
Becuase there are nothing XD
Then what does India give in that department that cant be achieved with our own coastal boats already in game or not in game?
Fair enough, but entrenching would.
Should be able to, especially with ERA Perforation, the extra pen and half decent post pen damage.
and failing that, just do what they did with Japan and what they did for us for the first 4 years of the CR2, give us a reload advantage, drop us down to 4-4.5 second reloads with our 28 round ready rack and we’d be fine.
And the CR3 can get EKE/DM83
It has in Ukraine.
Like I said, it could be an interesting option if all else fails.
I didnt realise we had the Ferrets, Scorpions, Spartan, Salamander, Saladin, Abbot, AS-90, Saxon, etc etc.
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License produced Pr.206 or Pr.1141, or even domestically improved Pr.1141
You know that current APFSDS post pen damage ingame only affects by leftover penetration, right? It is different from other rounds, which is little strange.
Which doesn’t exist now.
As for now, it seems Ukraine vehicle would goes to Eastern Europe tree includes Ukraine.
Which are… just sidegrade of what existing for now, even excluding Indian and South African ones. So, now what is real difference that further domestic vehicles can give over existing domestic vehicles?