The Mig-29G is one of the worst 13.0 planes, and if you take away it’s R-27ERS it does not have anything but IRCCM missiles that make it worthy of 13.0. Comparing it to the Gripen, or F-16AM it is worse in nearly every way.
That requires Gaijin to do decompression properly, which is incredibly easy and simple to do. With how Gaijin decided to decompress, 13.3 would kill any non-ARH aircraft since they would still face top tier, and would face even more planes that they are considerably worse than.
Move every 13.3/13.7/14.0 plane to 13.7/14.0/14.3, and bring the F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3 Late, J-8F (If it gets IRCCM AAMs), SU-33, Su-27, F-15A, F-15J, and the F-2 to 13.3. This is incredibly easy/simple and will mostly decompress 13.0. Why Gaijin chose not to do this completely escapes me, and it’s awful that they haven’t.
Mig-29G is superior to F-14B and Sea Harrier, on-par with Mirage 4000 and F-16A.
Your post is implying that F-16A and Mirage 4000 are the worst 13.0s while F-14B and Sea Harrier are worse than them…
War Thunder air RB is not 1v1 tournaments, their 1v1 performance is not a notable factor otherwise F-2A would be 14.3 with the others and F-15E would be the same; or lower BR than F-15C according to your post’s preference of having faster but worse dogfighting vehicles to be a lower BR…
If F-15E can be a higher BR than better dogfighting variants using the same loadout [back when it did], then the Mig-29G can be the same BR as F-16A and Gripen while using 6x IRCCM missiles that are potent.
And yes, Mig-29 is significantly faster than F-16A and Gripen.
Also the OP 13.0s have no issue facing at most 4x4 14.0s per side, that’s what their RWRs are for and they have team mates to assist. Again this is not a 1v1 game mode.
I forgot those were a thing, but the Harrier needs it’s historical performance, and the F-14B needs 9MS.
I’m not asking for it to go down, I think it should remain at 13.0 until Gaijin does heavy decompression at 13.0 or other BRs below it.
At the cost of only being faster for 5 minutes until it runs out of fuel.
The issue isn’t with 14.0s, it’s with the 13.7s. That was a comment on how poorly Gaijin chose to decompress to 14.3 because their “decompression” doesn’t fix anything.
I know that, and I never said otherwise. All I did was say how I think Gaijin should decompress. Move 13.3 up, and move any supersonic 3rd gen with IRCCM and ARH up, and move most 4th gens with SARH and IRCCM up too.
I find it funny how the Su-33 has worse stats than the 29G despite the 29G being worse in nearly every way (CMs, RWR, Flight performance, Endurance, Missile count, etc)
And back to the Mig-29s. The Mig-29G is fine at 13.0, but 13.0 needs to be decompressed. The 12.7 Mig-29s should lose their R-27ERs in exchange for gaining R-73s. The Mig-29 Sniper should be 13.0 with R-73s and R-27ERs. I don’t think the Mig-29s with R-73s will be too good for 12.7, and if they are they can go up when the BR changes happen.
Thanks for proving Viggen pilots are more skilled than Su-33 pilots despite being in a worse platform.
Statshark is saying one thing and your post is trying to say another.
Statshark is saying Mig-29G and JA-37D pictured have superior players playing them.
Statshark is not saying that the Mig-29G is the best 13.0 in the game, contrary to your post’s implications.
OP jets get played more
Alright. All I’m saying is that R-73 Mig-29s stay at 13.0 alongside their slower but better dogfighting counterparts: Gripen A and F-16A. They should all be the same BR irrelevant of what bugs aren’t fixed.
In Mig-29’s case the thrust curve issue.
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If you think Mig-29 has a bad airframe, wait until you use F-15E or even worse: Su-34.
Vehicles having a “bad” airframe does not make them inherently bad. F-15E makes up for it with speed, so does Mig-29.
I’ve played both 29 and Su-34 and didn’t like neither of their airframes. Buses often have mitigating factors like great radar missiles so you can play around the fact they’re bricks.
It being speedy doesn’t really help much if you would mostly rely on close combat with IR missiles.
I had super difficulty learning the Su-27’s flight performance cause I wasn’t use to it.
Mig-29 has a thrust curve issue where it produces too little thrust between 400 - 650kph, so that one’s an issue on a whole other level.
However in air RB where I operate above 800kph the Mig-29’s thrust curve issue doesn’t appear.
HMS makes close attacks easier with thrust vectoring missiles, and Mig-29 very much is not a brick.
With the 27R you can even go to a full notch and unlock the radar a few seconds before impact and the missile still has high chance to hit. Aim7F will go dumb immediately.
Also, you can somewhat HOBS with the 27R, and it will track just fine and can actually pull somewhat tight maneuvers for SARH standards. The Aim7 might just not track at all because of the worse signal receivers (or bug?), and won’t have the maneuverability to even turn hard after launch.
Because gaijin loves BR compression. The mig29G is too strong to be 12.7, and meh at 13.0, but isn’t the worst of 13.0. I would take it over the Belgian F-16A or the Sea Harrier FA2 any day.
Without decompressing top tier with at least + 2 new brackets, having a mig29 with R-73 and R-27R will either sealclub at 12.7, or be mediocre at 13.0.
I’m not against changing the loadout, I’m just against creating unbalanced vehicles… Do you really guys want that loadout? Fine, enjoy your new mediocre 13.0 mig29 then.
If gaijin refuses to address 13.0 BR compression, I’d take a single vehicle being mediocre over it ruining the matchmaking for multiple 11.7-12.7 jets.
Removing the 27ER will still make it better than a few 13.0s.
Do you agree on moving the Belgian F-16A to 12.7 too? It doesn’t even have radar missiles. Only 6 short range IR missiles that only work more or less reliably on side aspect shoots.
Both are too strong for 12.7, and trash at 13.0 when compared to a flanker.
I’ve been playing lately the 9.12 at 12.7 and it’s still great. The r60m are still usable and I like them better than aim9L, especially on a fast platform where you can easily close the distance to everything bar a mirage 2000. Give me R-73 at the cost of the ER and it will be constant sealclubbing when not uptiered. The 27R is still great because of datalink that makes “sneaky” shoots possible
It gets 6x AIM-9Ms. Why would a very good airframe with 6x invisible missiles, in no way comparable to R-73s, move to 12.7? It is a bad-faith argument to present the best short range IR missile in the game as “sometimes reliable”.
6x invisible missiles are not bad at 13.0. At all. Certainly not worse than a Su-27.
See above line about “bad faith argument”. If we’re gonna write fictional stories then I can’t wait to go on about how the MiG-29 is basically an F-104 and it can’t turn at all ever.
They are quite visible, unless you are talking about sim.
R-73 is virtually unflareable in close ranges at rear aspect and sometimes side, aim9m you can just spam a bunch of flares and change direction, but depending on the pattern, can be more difficult to do in a side shoot.
Aim9M complements well fox3 engagements where you close the distance to a notching target, where you have a clear side shot.
But the best short-range IR missile is the PL-5EII or the R-73 if dogfighting.
Have you ever played that jet? You can only do well with the Belgian F-16A if the enemy team is braindead. The su-27 is so much better for the meta, not even comparable, they should have different BRs but the flanker can’t go up because BR compression too.
The r-60m is as easily flared as the aim9L at distances, but since its faster, it has better chance to ignore flares at shorter range, and works better at much shorter distances.
I just said I like them better. I didn’t say it was plain superior. Just my own preference because I don’t value range for missiles that are easily spoofed by a single flare
The MiG-29A without ERs has NO BVR capability at all.
The R27R is actively competing with the earliest of sparrows in terms of range.
The R73 is a missile with a max effective range of 5-6km at best (if you even manage to get a lock that far)
I just listed 90% of the planes at 13.0
if all planes at a BR are OP, and a single one stands out - maybe they arent overpowered but the other one is just underpowered.
R-60M will be closer to the engines and as such, will have a relativelly narrower view of the engines. Which means it is less likely to see flares.
If they see any flare and enemy drops engine temp, both are easily flared off. So the faster one ends up being more reliable. The only advantage of the 9L is range and explosive payload, everything else is outperformed by R-60Ms except flare resistance which is similar
